Author Topic: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers  (Read 27255 times)

Offline Daryl J.

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2013, 02:38:46 AM »
The drop tanks in the 1:48 Airfix Red Arrows kit look to be big enough for a current era Khemed to use as a pylon based recce pod.   
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2013, 07:14:17 AM »
It comes with proper pylons and what appears to be rocket pods and fuel tanks...

But all the pylons are different shapes so i cant figure out which pylons go where and with what on them :(

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2013, 04:30:55 AM »
Oh, ok - larger/deeper pylons inboard, generally carrying the drop tanks, and smaller/more streamlined ones outboard for rockets, bombs, missiles etc.

If you need more of an idea, I'll see if I can find pics.

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2013, 06:08:12 AM »
Nice one !! That should give me enough to go on :D

Pics would be nice though but dont panic its gonna be a lil while till then.. Im trying to fix up the cockpit still lol

Thanks again :)

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2013, 03:23:38 AM »
Any luck on those pics deathjester ? Its mostly in one peice now so im onto fitting out :)

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2013, 06:17:48 AM »
Sorry I haven't replied yet - I missed this in the posts list!

Is this ok?



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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2013, 10:17:55 PM »
It was too late im afraid i had to press on, thank you anyway ! :)

This is where i decided to take it :

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=3296.0

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2014, 03:00:22 AM »
Anyone want to have a go at modelling this one:

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2014, 05:35:24 AM »
Nice Photo:

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2014, 09:20:35 AM »
What's the box above the exhaust?

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2014, 09:47:33 AM »
Chaff/flare buckets.

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #61 on: June 03, 2014, 04:44:46 PM »
Wicked load out:
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #62 on: June 03, 2014, 04:46:53 PM »
Wicked load out:

Be even better if the caption was right: those are Skyflashes, not AMRAAMs.
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #63 on: June 03, 2014, 04:59:45 PM »
True...it is still a interesting load out though.
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #64 on: June 03, 2014, 08:28:44 PM »
Is that a real 'load-out' Greg, or photo-shopped.  I wouldn't have thought there was enough ground clearance going by my models of the aircraft, especially the Sea Eagle

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #65 on: June 04, 2014, 02:34:51 AM »
It could carry and was trialled with such:




Hmmm…RN FAA Hawk operating off light carriers... ;)
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #66 on: June 04, 2014, 03:39:18 AM »
A-ha! now I see what they did, the u/c has been extended, all the kits I have of the Hawk has the trailing arm almost horizontal.

Just dug out my Goshawk and laid a Martel on the centerline, no way it could operated the way the gear is posed there.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2014, 03:40:56 AM by kitnut617 »

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #67 on: June 05, 2014, 04:45:50 AM »
Just been reading a piece on Pprune about the Hawk by a guy who was the photographer at Dunsfold (he may well have taken those pics  ;) ). His opinion was that a lot of the stores "trialled" on Hawk demonstrators were just marketing stunts rather than realistic options. This applied to both Skyflash and Sea Eagle. Apparently, ground clearance with the latter was so marginal that it took them ages to load the missile due to having to wriggle it under the aircraft (remember when looking at it fitted that a substantial trolley has to get under there too).

The wierdest thing he saw hung on a Hawk was a Stingray torpedo! He couldn't get any sense out of anyone about how that was supposed to work. The standing joke at Flight Test was that Marketing had an Airfix kit of the Hawk and a really big spares box full of weapons which they dipped into at random... ;D
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #68 on: June 05, 2014, 05:15:39 AM »
Here's a question, does the Hawk have the capability to 'pump up' the u/c shock to raise the aircraft for more ground clearance ?

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #69 on: June 05, 2014, 08:54:20 AM »
Just been reading a piece on Pprune about the Hawk by a guy who was the photographer at Dunsfold (he may well have taken those pics  ;) ). His opinion was that a lot of the stores "trialled" on Hawk demonstrators were just marketing stunts rather than realistic options. This applied to both Skyflash and Sea Eagle. Apparently, ground clearance with the latter was so marginal that it took them ages to load the missile due to having to wriggle it under the aircraft (remember when looking at it fitted that a substantial trolley has to get under there too).

Well, they appear to have tried it at least twice, with separate aircraft so it can't have been too hard...

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The wierdest thing he saw hung on a Hawk was a Stingray torpedo! He couldn't get any sense out of anyone about how that was supposed to work. The standing joke at Flight Test was that Marketing had an Airfix kit of the Hawk and a really big spares box full of weapons which they dipped into at random... ;D

A Stingray would be pretty pointless 'cause you'd need a separate "hunter" aircraft.   I like that idea of an Airfix kit though.  Sort of explains a lot about aircraft pictures...  ;)

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #70 on: June 05, 2014, 09:18:21 AM »
The idea of such a hunter-killer team suggests a two-seat Harrier with pods able to deploy MAD sensors and working with a Sea Harrier carrying a couple Stingrays.  For the Hawk, or derivatives, it really doesn't make sense.

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #71 on: June 05, 2014, 09:41:03 AM »
Just been reading a piece on Pprune about the Hawk by a guy who was the photographer at Dunsfold (he may well have taken those pics  ;) ).


I assume you are referring to this discussion?
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #72 on: June 05, 2014, 10:00:40 AM »
Yep.
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #73 on: June 05, 2014, 10:05:38 AM »
Another impressive load out:

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #74 on: June 05, 2014, 06:39:07 PM »
Another impressive load out:




And at 4,500 lbs, that's still only about 2/3rds of the max payload limit. If it had the later wings, you could add a couple of Sidewinders to that lot.... 8)
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