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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2012, 06:00:59 AM »
*chuckle* It comes from having worked with Aermacchi on both the MB.326K and MB.339 (and seeing concepts, then, for the MB.339K).  Damn, when I think back on it, that was forty years ago this past summer.  It doesn't seem near as long.

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2012, 10:12:30 AM »
Letting your age show mate. ;)
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2012, 10:33:07 AM »
Letting your age show mate. ;)
*laughs uproariously* It beats the daylights out of not being around to do so.

I think I'll need to play with this concept further but I can see some definitely possibilities.  I wonder if it would need Sabrinas like the Hunter did?

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2012, 10:33:50 AM »
Sabrinas are always good. ;)
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2012, 10:45:35 AM »
Sabrinas are always good. ;)
Yeah, and I'm old enough to have seen pictures of their "namesake".  I'm starting to think a mix of bits from a couple first-generation Harrier gunpods and a couple suitable shapes would work nicely here.  *grin* Perhaps extend the shell-collectors to add chaff/flare dispensers like the Swiss did?

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2012, 03:13:36 AM »
Of course rather than have to use a Hawk 200 conversion one could always either fill in the rear cockpit with electronics or fuel or similar or even go the 'whole hog' such as this:



Standard Hawk 200 shown at bottom with modified "Attack Hawk" shown top.

Regards,

Greg

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Back when I was doing armed variants of my Goshawk II/Navalised Hawk 100 profiles, I did consider converting it to a single seater along those lines but wasn't happy with the way I'd shaded and weathered the blanked-over cockpit.

Comparison:


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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2012, 06:43:56 AM »
 Refresh my memory on a couple of points, friends- the only kit of the Hawk 200 was the Matchbox
 in 1/72? Its really one of the few  "modern" jets I like, and I would like to build one some day.

 And ..."Sabrinas"? 

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2012, 07:36:48 AM »
You're right, the only full kit of a 200 is the Matchbox 1/72 one, but Neomega do/did both a 1/72 and a 1/48 conversion to build a 200

http://www.neomega-resin.com/hawk.htm
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2012, 07:59:06 AM »
  And ..."Sabrinas"?
The link collectors for the Hunter's cannons.  Named for a rather buxom actress of the period.

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2012, 07:59:38 AM »
You're right, the only full kit of a 200 is the Matchbox 1/72 one, but Neomega do/did both a 1/72 and a 1/48 conversion to build a 200

http://www.neomega-resin.com/hawk.htm

Yep, got examples of both to use.

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2012, 02:43:32 PM »
  And ..."Sabrinas"?
The link collectors for the Hunter's cannons.  Named for a rather buxom actress of the period.

Google "Norma Ann Sykes"
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2012, 02:44:03 PM »
Of course rather than have to use a Hawk 200 conversion one could always either fill in the rear cockpit with electronics or fuel or similar or even go the 'whole hog' such as this:



Standard Hawk 200 shown at bottom with modified "Attack Hawk" shown top.

Regards,

Greg

Variation with FLIR nose and avionics in rear cockpit.  Should also allow for increased all round vision.




Back when I was doing armed variants of my Goshawk II/Navalised Hawk 100 profiles, I did consider converting it to a single seater along those lines but wasn't happy with the way I'd shaded and weathered the blanked-over cockpit.

Comparison:


^Click for larger^


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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2012, 08:21:40 PM »
IIRC, there was, at least in the early days, a proposal for a Hawk 200 variant with a FLIR/LRMTS nose as well as the radar one. This was in the days when they were stil talking about it having 2 x 25mm ADENs in the lower fuselage.

I'm sure there was colour artwork with the attack version in the background and the radar version in front.

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2012, 09:05:11 PM »
Well, it seems odd to me that with the extensive braintrust of creators in-house, nobody has come up with the definite, single seat, bubbletop BTS version of the hawk..... >:D :-* 8) :) ;)
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2012, 11:54:41 PM »
Great one, José. You really hit it with this one!!
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #40 on: November 30, 2012, 02:08:56 AM »
That looks spot on, Jose !   :D

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #41 on: November 30, 2012, 02:18:04 AM »
Gorgeous piece of work there, Jose, and real tempting.

Weaver, I may try to do a Hawk 200 with the FLIR/LRMTS in the nose; 'twould be something different for a dedicated attack bird.  I'll ahve to take inventory of all my kits to see if I can do such.

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2012, 02:36:47 AM »
Well, it seems odd to me that with the extensive braintrust of creators in-house, nobody has come up with the definite, single seat, bubbletop BTS version of the hawk..... >:D :-* 8) :) ;)

Well there is a challenge if ever I saw one...maybe an F-16 or F-18 canopy?
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #43 on: November 30, 2012, 03:26:43 AM »
Nah i see Jaguar canopy..

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2012, 03:51:05 AM »
Well, it seems odd to me that with the extensive braintrust of creators in-house, nobody has come up with the definite, single seat, bubbletop BTS version of the hawk..... >:D :-* 8) :) ;)

Well there is a challenge if ever I saw one...maybe an F-16 or F-18 canopy?

My personal preference is bubbletop, teardrop shape like the ones you mentioned.

Would be nice if they had the cockpit a little more elevated, too

Edit: a quick-and-dirty graft (not that I would have made any better having more time)
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2012, 06:14:19 AM »
Nah i see Jaguar canopy..

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #46 on: November 30, 2012, 06:37:39 AM »
I only meant going off Jose's profile... His profile looks like a Jag canopy to me...

But yeah if you want to stick to teardrop then yes Harrier... Deffo

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #47 on: November 30, 2012, 08:58:21 AM »
But yeah if you want to stick to teardrop then yes Harrier... Deffo

Yes!

I'm not sure if the F16 and Harrier canopies are drawn to scale
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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2013, 07:11:58 AM »
Ok bit of a odd one... I have the old Airfix "Red arrows"  Hawk (A68005) in my possesion and since it looks pretty nasty tbf ive decided potentially ruining it is no concern.. So a quick out of box is to be done. Might chill me out after the last build became a year long mission....

...But it has pylons ... and weapons in the box :)

Anyone know what parts go where if i was gonna use them !? :)

And by "if" i obviously mean "Will"   ;D

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Re: HSA/BAe/BAE Systems/MCD Hawk/Goshawk Trainers
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2013, 10:47:27 PM »
Ok bit of a odd one... I have the old Airfix "Red arrows"  Hawk (A68005) in my possesion and since it looks pretty nasty tbf ive decided potentially ruining it is no concern.. So a quick out of box is to be done. Might chill me out after the last build became a year long mission....

...But it has pylons ... and weapons in the box :)

Anyone know what parts go where if i was gonna use them !? :)

And by "if" i obviously mean "Will"   ;D
How do you mean?