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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #100 on: October 28, 2014, 12:54:50 AM »
Mirage III with RD-33 already exist (in South Africa like the Mirage F-1) :





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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #101 on: November 02, 2014, 06:54:26 AM »
It tempts to put rudimentary fins along the lines of the Kfir canards along the long tailpipe fairing of the earlier Mirage III variants.   Position them at 120 degrees off vertical.    I've always thought there was almost enough length there for a full pair of horizontal stabilizers.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #102 on: November 02, 2014, 09:22:39 AM »
It tempts to put rudimentary fins along the lines of the Kfir canards along the long tailpipe fairing of the earlier Mirage III variants.   Position them at 120 degrees off vertical.    I've always thought there was almost enough length there for a full pair of horizontal stabilizers.

I've always thought a delta with a V-tail would have possibilities in the days before fly-by-wire. For landing, the V-tail could get around the delta's traditional no-flaps problem by taking over pitch control, thereby allowing the inboard wing surfaces to be deflected downwards as flaps. Then in normal flight, the V-tail would do pure yaw control, with the inboard wing surfaces acting as elevators in the normal way. You don't want the tail doing pitch at high AoA because it would be blanked by the forebody wake just like a T-tail.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #103 on: November 09, 2014, 10:33:01 AM »
Just read that Denel in South Africa were studying a whole range of improved wings for the Cheetah, including one with wingtip AAM rails:



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1 was the in-service Cheetah wing with dogtooth and leading edge extension outside the dogtooth, 2 and 3 were flown. Number 4 was to be the one with the wingtip stations that suffered due to the budget cuts and ending of the programme.






Info from "wilhelm" on this thread: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?65417-Current-Mirage-III-5-50-Operations/page5 (post #147)
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #104 on: November 09, 2014, 10:41:17 AM »
That looks cool.  Could probably model it too.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #105 on: November 09, 2014, 10:49:50 PM »
I did that 'kinked' leading edge on my Super Arrow, only it looks like I might have got the point in the wrong place judging by the pics here --

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #106 on: May 31, 2015, 05:57:21 AM »
Random thought:  how about Indian Air Force Mirage IIIs instead of MiG-21s?
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #107 on: May 31, 2015, 09:15:21 AM »
Random thought:  how about Indian Air Force Mirage IIIs instead of MiG-21s?
That could make identifying friend or foe rather interesting in conflict with Pakistan, particularly if Pakistan deliberately put their Mirages where they'd tangle with the Indians.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #108 on: May 31, 2015, 09:54:24 AM »
Random thought:  how about Indian Air Force Mirage IIIs instead of MiG-21s?
That could make identifying friend or foe rather interesting in conflict with Pakistan, particularly if Pakistan deliberately put their Mirages where they'd tangle with the Indians.

You could say the same about the Pakistani's Shenyang J-7s and the Indians' MiG-21s, but that didn't stop them. In the Yom Kippur war, Israel, Egypt and Libya were operating Mirages.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #109 on: May 31, 2015, 10:02:19 AM »
Point taken.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #110 on: September 23, 2015, 02:06:08 AM »
1/72 Mirage III + F-4 1/100

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #111 on: September 23, 2015, 02:47:49 AM »
Interesting
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #112 on: September 23, 2015, 06:03:11 AM »
Interesting
Fairly doable, too, as I believe there are some 1/100 F-4 kits (ISTR Revell Snap-Tite kits in that scale) that could be used.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #113 on: September 23, 2015, 06:22:58 PM »
Interesting
Fairly doable, too, as I believe there are some 1/100 F-4 kits (ISTR Revell Snap-Tite kits in that scale) that could be used.

There's also a Tamiya/Ben Hobby one.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #114 on: September 24, 2015, 12:16:18 AM »
Just a thought, an operational Mirage IIIT updated with canards et al.; possibly also with a M53 engine replacing the TF304.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #115 on: October 01, 2015, 10:23:47 AM »
Australia starts replacing the Mirage III in the mid 70s as originally planned meaning surplus aircraft are available for transfer to Malaysia and Indonesia to supplement / replace their CAC Sabres. 

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #116 on: October 28, 2015, 11:25:29 AM »
Mirage-21 (do not confuse with F-21)


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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #117 on: October 28, 2015, 11:26:56 AM »
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #118 on: October 28, 2015, 11:57:32 AM »
Those are both REALLY nice!  :-*
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #119 on: July 24, 2016, 06:48:22 AM »
Another view of Mirage derived Cheetah proposal with wingtip missiles:

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #120 on: July 24, 2016, 06:49:55 AM »
Close up of Cheetah fitted with SMR-95 (RD-33 derivative):

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #121 on: July 12, 2017, 11:48:57 AM »
The RAAF Mirage III story.  Interesting reading...

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #122 on: July 13, 2017, 02:07:58 PM »
To start you off, how about a photo of crew working on that rarely seen Mirage III-ES, three engined (one in rear and two vertically mounted behind pilot, Yak-38 style) ESTOL Mirage ;)




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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #123 on: July 13, 2017, 02:11:41 PM »
Found online:






They are impressive profiles!

That USAF Mirage would be the Boeing_Dassault Mirage IIIW, would it not?

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #124 on: July 13, 2017, 05:08:11 PM »