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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #175 on: November 14, 2021, 01:36:21 AM »
I'm wondering, with the LTV A-7 and Dassault Milan together, what nationality air force trial might have been occuring here?🤔

Switzerland - In 1972 the choice for a new fighter was between the Milan and the A-7G Corsair II.  Eventually neither was selected and instead the Swiss Air Force purchased 30 additional, surplus Hawker Hunters in 1973.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #176 on: November 14, 2021, 05:46:09 AM »
I'm wondering, with the LTV A-7 and Dassault Milan together, what nationality air force trial might have been occuring here?🤔

Switzerland - In 1972 the choice for a new fighter was between the Milan and the A-7G Corsair II.  Eventually neither was selected and instead the Swiss Air Force purchased 30 additional, surplus Hawker Hunters in 1973.

Thanks for your response and clarification Greg 👍

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #177 on: November 19, 2021, 05:23:06 AM »
Sorry - this is probably a daft question, but -

If the Boeing-Dassault proposal for the F-5A Freedom Fighter had been built based on the Mirage 5, would it have had an unreheated engine and not need the intake cones? That would leave the reheated Atar or J-79 engine in the F-5E. Hope this makes sense.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #178 on: November 20, 2021, 12:54:33 AM »
I don't think there was ever a proposal for a unrelated engine version....
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #179 on: November 20, 2021, 01:51:24 AM »
I don't think there was ever a proposal for a unrelated engine version....

No I suspect they were proposed with the Atars. But cannot find real info. I did make a few with standard intakes and exhausts years back, but I have been looking back at some of Spinners artworks where he proposed an unreheated Spey. Have not checked if it will even fit to be honest, but the model I am using has really poor definition so trimed the intake cones off and changed the exhaust. So it looks like the artwork - I suspect I am simply over thinking this with a vengence
Actually the Spey is too wide - I suspect the J-73 would be the way to go


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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #180 on: November 20, 2021, 02:07:59 AM »
Well the first Mirage III 001 prototype didn't have the inlet cones/souris.  On September 19, on its 78th sortie, Mirage III 01 reached Mach 1.8 in level flight using its ancillary rocket and then, some two weeks later on October 2 (flight 84), Mach 1.89. The aircraft had reached its upper limit: its air intakes prevented any further increase in speed. It still had reheated Atar though.


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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #181 on: November 20, 2021, 02:44:25 AM »
Thanks, So I will go with the sans souris and no afterburner/reheat. :-*

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #182 on: January 02, 2022, 09:07:15 AM »
Mirage 50 with J79

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #183 on: January 03, 2022, 12:47:24 AM »
So essentially a non canard Kfir?
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #184 on: January 03, 2022, 05:22:06 AM »
So essentially a non canard Kfir?

'Though the Mirage 50 seems inherently more easily-adaptable for the air superiority and interception roles.
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