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Offline Daryl J.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2013, 11:22:53 PM »
What are the ports on the nose?
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2013, 04:20:20 AM »
Camera ports.  Remember that ARDU was a trials unit.  The ports were on both sides, as seen in this classic photo:

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: June 09, 2013, 04:22:18 AM »
The two seater also looked good in Fanta Can:

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: June 09, 2013, 04:34:32 AM »
Actually, if you look closely you will see that A3-2 also had a camera looking down/back from the nose:

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: June 09, 2013, 04:37:28 AM »
A3-2 didn't always wear Fanta can either.  There was also this scheme for ARDU beforehand:


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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #55 on: June 09, 2013, 05:22:26 AM »
I really like both of those ARDU schemes. Will probably have to build a Fanta Can at some point!
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2013, 08:42:26 AM »
Makes you wonder, if Avro Canada had gone with the single-engined C-104 concept, would it have ended up in RAAF service and these markings?

Offline Daryl J.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #57 on: July 08, 2013, 06:31:41 AM »
Should anyone purchase a Kinetic Kfir and also have an Eduard or HobbyBoss Mirage III, why not graft on the left over extra Kfir nose onto the Mirage III and then paint the machine up in some reasonable operators colors?   Why?  Why not.   ;D
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2013, 08:26:28 AM »
ATAR 9C:

Length: 5,900 mm (232 in)
Diameter: 1,000 mm (39 in)
Dry weight: 1,456 kg (3,210 lb)
Maximum thrust:
  42.0 kN (9,440 lbf) military power
  58.9 kN (13,240 lbf) with afterburner
Specific fuel consumption:
  103 kg/(kN∑h) (1.01 lb/(lbf∑h)) military power
  207 kg/(kN∑h) (2.03 lb/(lbf∑h)) with afterburner

F404/RM12:

Length: 3,912 mm (154 in)
Diameter: 889 mm (35 in)
Dry weight: 1,036 kg (2,282 lb)
Maximum thrust:
  11,000 lbf (48.9 kN) military thrust
  17,700 lbf (78.7 kN) with afterburner
Specific fuel consumption:
  Military thrust: 0.81 lb/(lbf∑h) (82.6 kg/(kN∑h))
  Full afterburner: 1.74 lb/(lbf∑h) (177.5 kg/(kN∑h))


Wow - I just actually read that and thought about it: an RM-12 engined Mirage would have, in round terms, 1000lb less dry weight, 1500lb more dry thrust and 20% lower fuel consumption, and what's more, in full burner it'd have nearly 4,500lb more thrust!

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2013, 09:15:09 AM »
Quote
Ay caramba! 

Since the RM-12 is Norse, wouldn't that be 'Uffda!!  ;D ;D" ? 

Hmmm.....a Mirage in Swedish Splinter.  Hmmm....
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2013, 10:00:03 AM »
I believe the proposal for a F404-powered Kfir is known as "Nammer".

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2013, 04:16:45 PM »
I believe the proposal for a F404-powered Kfir is known as "Nammer".

Correct - see Reply #39
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #62 on: August 18, 2013, 06:32:52 AM »
Random Idea:

ROKAF Mirage III in one of these schemes:

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #63 on: August 26, 2013, 01:49:20 AM »
It was mentioned on this website the need for dedicated recce aircraft had dropped because of pod based equipment.    So with that in mind and stepping back to the 1960's, a forward thinking Khemedi regime could fly Mirage III C or two with recce pods on both outer pylons. 

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #64 on: August 26, 2013, 06:43:22 PM »
How about instead of the GAF Mirage IIIEO Australia opted for CAC as the prime and selected the Avon /  Ferranti Airpass options?

Or / then

Once CAC got their mits on the Mirage they re-engineered it with a RR Spey, uprated radar, Sparrow or Sky Flash and Sidewinder for continued production into the 80s

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #65 on: September 09, 2013, 05:00:48 AM »
Here is something I've been working on for some time. At this point, I just need to tweak the camo (colors and shapes). It's a 1:200 paper model of GTX and Christopher Cooper's J-79-powered Mirage III+.

Here is also a real-world Mirage IIID.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #66 on: September 09, 2013, 06:59:01 AM »
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #67 on: September 21, 2013, 10:09:00 PM »
Upgrading Mirage-IIIE


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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #68 on: September 22, 2013, 04:04:26 AM »
Different...
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2013, 09:29:39 AM »
Nose Intake


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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #70 on: December 28, 2013, 02:26:48 AM »
Nothing specialÖjust a nice clean photo ;):

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #71 on: December 28, 2013, 02:35:08 AM »
Indeed.  A real life profile.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #72 on: December 28, 2013, 02:46:02 AM »
Nose Intake




That looks astonishingly plausible for a MiG-21 variant, too!
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #73 on: December 28, 2013, 03:11:41 AM »
That looks astonishingly plausible for a MiG-21 variant, too!

I think you'll find there was a real example Xenia

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #74 on: December 28, 2013, 03:13:05 AM »
That looks astonishingly plausible for a MiG-21 variant, too!

We need MORE MiG-21 variants? There's almost enough one each already!  :o
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