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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #125 on: July 16, 2017, 03:30:25 AM »
Great profiles! Thought I was looking at a Century Series fighter for a second!

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #126 on: November 21, 2017, 11:10:46 AM »
Toying with MiG  and Mirage

Mirage III tailfin can inprove anything ...


MiG-29 tailfin and canopy ...


Mirages with MiG-21 tailfins ...

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #127 on: November 30, 2017, 10:28:08 AM »
Mirage 5 + MiG-23


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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #128 on: November 30, 2017, 01:46:29 PM »
Good job on variants. :smiley:
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #129 on: December 01, 2017, 01:04:50 AM »
So much whiffery goodness!  :-*  Canard-delta-Flogger ist the bomb!
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #130 on: December 02, 2017, 01:41:06 PM »
Chin intake early Mirage


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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #131 on: December 02, 2017, 08:31:02 PM »
 :-*  :-*  :-*
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #132 on: December 04, 2017, 06:15:14 AM »
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #133 on: January 22, 2018, 03:03:09 AM »
What about an operational Mirage IIIT with TF30?

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #134 on: August 25, 2019, 04:05:44 AM »
Another view of the fat arsed Mirage IIIT, this time a two-seater:



This is also an interesting example of how just show-horning a bigger engine in doesn't always equate to better performance.  The original SNECMA Atar 09C provided 9,440 lb dry thrust and 13,700 lb thrust with afterburner whereas the TF30 (and its derivatives used in this bird) provided 10,500lb dry/13,890 lb AB initially and later 11,680lb dry/16,755lb AB.  However apparently the Mirage III-T air intakes couldn't cope with the turbofan, and the compressor stalled repeatedly and the resulting performance dropped with top speed being Mach 1.1 and later mach 1.4, compared to the usual Mach 2.2.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #135 on: August 25, 2019, 05:35:06 AM »
I'd say it was more inlet flow distortion than the fan and compressor were designed to handle.  That gets to be tricky and can take a fair bit of testing and redesign to fix, though it's not impossible as the engines on both the F117 and B-2 have fan designs intended to handle significant flow distortions.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #136 on: June 14, 2020, 03:16:56 AM »
Does anyone know of a Mirage III NG kit or conversion in 1/48?  We would be mainly looking at the canards and wing leading edge extensions:

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #137 on: June 14, 2020, 04:21:12 AM »
The canards should be in every Kinetic Mirage III boxing, whether the boxing is for a canard-equipped Miage or not. Assuming the canards of the NG are the same as, for example, on the Swiss Mirage IIIRS.

Never knew about those leading edge extensions. Very interesting!  :smiley:
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #138 on: June 14, 2020, 04:42:13 AM »
I totally forgot about the Swiss update:



They do look similar (and would suffice for a build) though may need to be moved forward for the NG:



And they are in the kit you mention:



The LERX could probably be scratch built.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #139 on: June 14, 2020, 04:43:57 AM »
And as a free addition, here is a nice pic of a Swiss Mirage as they started out:

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #140 on: June 14, 2020, 05:01:11 AM »
And I just made the interesting discovery that I don't appear to have a Mirage III kit of any sort in the stash.   Hmmm....
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #141 on: June 14, 2020, 11:24:00 AM »
Let the purchasing frenzy begin!  :smiley:
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #142 on: June 15, 2020, 07:08:57 AM »
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They do look similar (and would suffice for a build) though may need to be moved forward for the NG:


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You're right.  :smiley: Would definitely need to be moved forward a bit.



Does change the look considerably. In conjunction with the LERXs, the fuselage looks almost a bit stretched/lengthened.
The good thing is that Kinetic's canards come with their attachment fairings on the canard bits, not on the on the intake parts. Should make it much simpler to move forward.

The nose also looks pointier, more Mirage 5-ish.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #143 on: June 16, 2020, 02:02:11 AM »
The prototype Mirage III NG shown was derived from the Mirage 50-01 prototype hence the similarity in look.  Apart from the visually obvious LERX and Canards, the aircraft would have a Thomson-CSF RDM radar, Atar-9K50 engine, Fly-by-wire system from Mirage 2000 and 4 additional hard points under the fuselage.

The Air Vectors image of the Mirage IIING shows the visual differences quite well:

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #144 on: June 16, 2020, 01:17:21 PM »
Sounds like it would've been quite the performer.  8)
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #145 on: June 21, 2020, 03:30:51 AM »
More on my oddball Mirage III family there, does anyone know of a conversion for the Mirage Milan in 1/48:






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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #146 on: June 21, 2020, 03:35:35 AM »
On a different tangent, I wonder about a RAAF Mirage III fitted for anti-shipping strike with an Exocet such as shown on these:




Would be a subtle whiff to confuse people.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #147 on: June 21, 2020, 05:42:22 AM »
On a different tangent, I wonder about a RAAF Mirage III fitted for anti-shipping strike with an Exocet such as shown on these:
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Would be a subtle whiff to confuse people.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #148 on: June 21, 2020, 02:51:39 PM »
And I just made the interesting discovery that I don't appear to have a Mirage III kit of any sort in the stash.   Hmmm....

You will find a box of assorted Mirage 3 kits in the stash at the precise time you are looking for somewhere to put the new Mirage 3 kits that have just been delivered, including the $3925 resin one you ordered for some reason.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #149 on: June 22, 2020, 01:42:15 AM »
And I just made the interesting discovery that I don't appear to have a Mirage III kit of any sort in the stash.   Hmmm....

You will find a box of assorted Mirage 3 kits in the stash at the precise time you are looking for somewhere to put the new Mirage 3 kits that have just been delivered, including the $3925 resin one you ordered for some reason.

You sound like you have had that experience... ???
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