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Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« on: July 15, 2012, 04:15:09 AM »
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A thread dedicated to that Iconic French Lady, the Mirage III.


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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2012, 04:17:43 AM »
To start you off, how about a photo of crew working on that rarely seen Mirage III-ES, three engined (one in rear and two vertically mounted behind pilot, Yak-38 style) ESTOL Mirage ;)

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2012, 04:42:28 AM »
Talk about some nice photos!!!  Never new about the ES version; neat  8)

Do you have a date for that first photo?
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2012, 04:50:08 AM »
Do you have a date for that first photo?

A flight of 3 Sqn Mirage IIIO's over Malaysia in March 1981...around 2:15pm ;)
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2012, 05:10:58 AM »
Smart arse.... ;)
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2012, 05:15:35 AM »
Who? Me? ;)
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2012, 07:49:06 AM »
How about a Boeing F-5 family? The Mirage 5 is the F-5A and the IIIE is the F-5E with Kifir like extra intake for the J-79??

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2012, 09:01:38 AM »
Yeah I thought of something like that too. In this world, the F-4 Phantom never gets built, so the US Air Force finds itself short of a dogfighter to counter the North Vietnamese MiG-21s et al. They eventually select a licence-built Mirage III: Vought would be the likely US partner since they had a technology transfer agreement with Dassault in real life. The first version is a straight copy for speed, but they then work the design over, adding fixed canards for maneuverability and a J-79 for p/w ratio resulting in a hauntingly familiar aircraft: basically a Kfir with a radar nose....

An Avon-Mirage was seriously offered to the RAAF: how about one for the RAF with AI.23 and Red Tops? It could be a joint development between a less anglophobic Dassault and Fairey, the intention being to provide something cheaper and more exportable than the Lightning.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2012, 11:18:36 AM »
Actually, I think Boeing-Wichita would be the most likely partner for US-produced Mirage IIIs since they had a contract with Dassault to produce the Mirage IIIW.  Unfortunately for them, this proposal lost out to the F-5A for the international fighter program.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2012, 04:58:05 PM »
Does someone want to profile some Mirage IIIs in USAF schemes?
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2012, 02:49:30 AM »
I built a Dutch F5A in the F-16 scheme, and an F-5E in a USMC aggressor desert scheme some time back using the ESCI Mirage IIIE. They are at the back in this pic, sorry it's not brilliant. They are from Glasgow in '07.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2012, 03:59:28 AM »
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2012, 05:28:17 AM »
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2012, 06:03:06 AM »
That Retro Rafale is an excellent build.  I have the article and I strongly recommend anyone who can to find it and read it.  The picture on the cover only gives you a glimpse of what he did.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2012, 07:14:28 AM »
The Maestro Models 1/48th scale resin Draken reconnaissance nose conversions might work on a Mirage III, V, 2K, or the Rafale.  Have to check that out when the parts are delivered next week. 
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2012, 07:40:08 AM »
More random ideas:

ZELL Mirage.

Cranked Arrow Mirage: reduce the LE sweep outboard of the notch and fit AAM rails on the tips.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2012, 09:19:26 AM »
More random ideas:

ZELL Mirage.

Cranked Arrow Mirage: reduce the LE sweep outboard of the notch and fit AAM rails on the tips.

Mirage III with the wings from the Saab Viggen.  Canards optional.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2012, 09:26:53 AM »
What if Dassault worked along the system configuration(s) of the F-102/106?  >:D
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2012, 10:05:32 AM »
Mirage with vertical intake ramps instead of the "souris"?
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2012, 10:42:31 AM »
I like the shape of the Mirage enough that I'd simply do a respray, say for instance Raspberry Ripple or plain overall white with light markings.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2012, 11:21:27 AM »
Paint one in USAF colors and paint an F-106 in RAAF colors.  Take to a contest and place on two different tables.  See how long the rouse lasts  ;D
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2012, 12:03:24 PM »
What about a high wing Mirage III? Which would be a delta winged Mirage F1. Ohh no infinite loop!

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2013, 01:15:36 AM »
Some variations with F-5 nose




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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2013, 10:08:37 PM »
What about the upgrade proposed to the RAAF as an alternative to replacement in the late 70's, I believe it included a RR Viper installed on top of the aft fuselage beneath the tail fin.