Author Topic: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan  (Read 32300 times)

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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2013, 05:29:07 PM »
Two C-27J variants apparently under study:

An early AEW variant:



And a stretched variant:


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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2013, 05:43:39 PM »
Some more EC-27Js:




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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2013, 05:47:06 PM »
And this

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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2013, 09:25:24 PM »
There needs to be a kit of this in The ONE True ScaleTM (1/48) so that I can make a quad tiltrotor from it.

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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2013, 10:29:44 PM »
The Italeri 1/72 kit is quite decent -- got one in the stash and it has lots of potential -- It's too short for a QTR though (already had a look at that)

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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2013, 11:05:29 PM »
What's a 'QTR' please Robert?
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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2013, 01:01:04 AM »
What's a 'QTR' please Robert?

Quad Tilt Rotor Kit,  using rotors from a V-22 I found you need at least a Transall for length, in 1/72 scale the rotors measure 6" (152mm) in diameter so you need 6 1/8" between each engine nacelle when in the vertical.  The C-27 just doesn't have the length ---
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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2013, 01:29:00 AM »
maybe the blades could overlap?

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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2013, 01:59:38 AM »
maybe the blades could overlap?

All the rotors would have to be ""geared"" then gingie, so that they stay syncronized.  I know they are all connected if an engine fails, but the rotors still 'free' spin.

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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2013, 02:13:06 AM »
There needs to be a kit of this in The ONE True ScaleTM (1/48) so that I can make a quad tiltrotor from it.


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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2013, 04:19:08 AM »
There needs to be a kit of this in The ONE True ScaleTM (1/48) so that I can make a quad tiltrotor from it.


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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2013, 04:32:45 AM »
the older people get and the more their eye sight worsens the more convert you get

I still build 1/144 scale airliners, and I've only ever built one 1/48 scale model in my whole life, and I'm one of the oldest on here.  :) :D
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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2013, 04:36:54 AM »
Quad Tilt Rotor Kit,  using rotors from a V-22 I found you need at least a Transall for length, in 1/72 scale the rotors measure 6" (152mm) in diameter so you need 6 1/8" between each engine nacelle when in the vertical.  The C-27 just doesn't have the length ---

What is the usable fuselage length for the C-27? Would it be possible to clip the rotor diameter back a skosh and make them fit?  Or perhaps go with a longer forward wing or drastically alter the sweep of both wings to get the needed separation of the rotors?

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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2013, 07:14:06 AM »
Quad Tilt Rotor Kit,  using rotors from a V-22 I found you need at least a Transall for length, in 1/72 scale the rotors measure 6" (152mm) in diameter so you need 6 1/8" between each engine nacelle when in the vertical.  The C-27 just doesn't have the length ---

What is the usable fuselage length for the C-27? Would it be possible to clip the rotor diameter back a skosh and make them fit?  Or perhaps go with a longer forward wing or drastically alter the sweep of both wings to get the needed separation of the rotors?

I'll have to find the kit now, I had a tidy-up in the hobby room and I put it in a box ---- now which one was it ----  :-X

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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2013, 05:46:33 PM »
The pictures of the Navy liveried AEW aircraft got me thinking, could the C-27 fit on a Carrier?  Common AEW and COD aircraft perhaps?   ASW as well?

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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2013, 07:15:48 PM »
A C-130 does, or did, so why not  C-27?
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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2013, 09:32:02 PM »
maybe the blades could overlap?

All the rotors would have to be ""geared"" then gingie, so that they stay syncronized.  I know they are all connected if an engine fails, but the rotors still 'free' spin.

I was thinking overlapping, not in the intermeshed//same plane over lap, but the rear pair mounted higher that the front pair, like how a CH46/47 have the rear rotor mounted higher, maybe the hole rear wing or engine mount could be built the same way? Or does that still reqr synch?

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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2013, 10:17:58 PM »
maybe the blades could overlap?

All the rotors would have to be ""geared"" then gingie, so that they stay syncronized.  I know they are all connected if an engine fails, but the rotors still 'free' spin.

I was thinking overlapping, not in the intermeshed//same plane over lap, but the rear pair mounted higher that the front pair, like how a CH46/47 have the rear rotor mounted higher, maybe the hole rear wing or engine mount could be built the same way? Or does that still reqr synch?

It certainly does with a Chinook, maybe because the blades droop so much at low rotor speeds that there's still a chance they'd smite each other in mid-rotate some time.
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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2013, 11:17:24 PM »
I was thinking overlapping, not in the intermeshed//same plane over lap, but the rear pair mounted higher that the front pair, like how a CH46/47 have the rear rotor mounted higher, maybe the hole rear wing or engine mount could be built the same way? Or does that still reqr synch?

On the QTR below (top pic), the rear engines are higher and wider gingie, bottom pic shows a plan view

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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2013, 02:28:31 AM »
The pictures of the Navy liveried AEW aircraft got me thinking, could the C-27 fit on a Carrier?  Common AEW and COD aircraft perhaps?   ASW as well?

I like your thinking! :)
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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2013, 02:30:26 AM »
Replace props with Jets ala Do328...or maybe even go overwing ala An-72/74/YC-14...or put podded RR Pegasus engines... :icon_fsm:
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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2013, 03:03:22 AM »
A couple of Bristol notions that could be applied to the G.222:
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actually is than they ever are about
whatever’s supposed to be behind the
conspiracy.”
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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2013, 03:07:06 AM »
I was thinking overlapping, not in the intermeshed//same plane over lap, but the rear pair mounted higher that the front pair, like how a CH46/47 have the rear rotor mounted higher, maybe the hole rear wing or engine mount could be built the same way? Or does that still reqr synch?

I've been giving this some thought, if the rear rotors are set higher than the fronts there will be problems when the nacelles are turned into airplane mode, the prop circles will collide as the rotors of the rear engines turn down and the front ones turn up, the two arcs will intersect.  However, if the 'front' rotor is set higher, this doesn't happen --- 

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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2013, 03:10:14 AM »



Bloody hell Jon! , that u/c arrangement looks like what I've done here --
« Last Edit: November 22, 2013, 03:12:06 AM by kitnut617 »

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Re: Aeritalia G.222 and Alenia-Lockheed Martin C-27 Spartan
« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2013, 09:52:45 AM »
A C-130 does, or did, so why not  C-27?

True but I was thinking more along the lines of "fit on a carrier with all the other aircraft," Kit.  ;)