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Title: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: finsrin on October 04, 2021, 07:08:24 PM
Going for a gun boat build.  Glencoe 1/225 USS Oregon to be 118.5 foot 1/72 gunboat.  To sail with USS Arizona based gun boat from 2016.
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2769.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2769.0)

After sizing a few parts appears M60 tank turrets are best fit for main battery.  Looking at secondary battery options.  More later....

see attached
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: finsrin on October 06, 2021, 05:47:32 PM
 Getting to it now.   Cutting hull to be waterline model.   Decided on armament donors (seems firm), requires cutting patching and such.

 Attached picture of donors.
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: LemonJello on October 06, 2021, 11:22:16 PM
Interested in seeing how this develops.  Continue!
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: Frank3k on October 06, 2021, 11:26:44 PM
Should be interesting! That Oregon model was new when some of the dinosaurs were still around. The tank turrets will look good.
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: finsrin on October 12, 2021, 10:44:47 AM
Progress - sorta.  Hull cut down to be water line model (diorama compatible).  Can't find way to mount M60 turrets that is not a kludge. 
Stash browsing turn up this:  1/35 Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind turret is exact fit in deck hole where main battery goes.  As you can see, turret needs trimming to clear superstructure.  Will try that.
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: Frank3k on October 12, 2021, 12:44:12 PM
Can't you trim back the superstructure and just have the bridge overhang, or is the Wirbelwind turret too tall?
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: finsrin on October 12, 2021, 02:02:47 PM
Can't you trim back the superstructure and just have the bridge overhang, or is the Wirbelwind turret too tall?

Turret needs rear & side cut backs to rotate clear of superstructure.  Lots of cutting and aligning panels more vertical - UGH.  By omitting top half it is not too tall then cut plastic for flat top.
This has me revisiting M60 turrets with success.
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: finsrin on October 20, 2021, 11:47:11 AM
Back at building.  Going with M60 turrets.  Filled turret holes in main deck with plastic card.  Removed rear of M60 turrets reducing ammo storage but plenty of storage in hull.  Using turret ring of M60 as a mount so turrets will rotate.  Can now get to other things....

see attached

Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: apophenia on October 21, 2021, 09:44:38 AM
Looking good. Amazing how much the look changes once you've bobbed the back of those M60 turrets! Very cool  :smiley:
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: Frank3k on October 21, 2021, 10:27:14 AM
It's going to look like a twin gun version of the HMS Roberts:

(https://i.pinimg.com/550x/e0/54/89/e054899a9d5f54870b8b19e59d637b16.jpg)
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: finsrin on October 21, 2021, 11:15:21 AM
1/35 Flakpanzer turrets have potential for another Oregon build.   M60 turrets are simpler to integrate.   Get more done and better photo light will post more.

Regarding HMS Roberts:  used Paint to design short monitor version of USS Oregon.   With careful cutting is buildable.   Stash has a few kits to work with.

Monitor and full size plans are attached.
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: kitnut617 on October 21, 2021, 09:39:52 PM
I've got a book about a Royal Navy gun boat like this --- trying to remember what it was called -----
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 21, 2021, 09:59:00 PM
I've got a book about a Royal Navy gun boat like this --- trying to remember what it was called -----

This perhaps?

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51XADthn13L.jpg)
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: Dr. YoKai on October 22, 2021, 03:11:46 AM
Danged if this doesn't make me want to build one of the German Flak lighters. Looking good!
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: kitnut617 on October 22, 2021, 03:19:09 AM
I've got a book about a Royal Navy gun boat like this --- trying to remember what it was called -----

This perhaps?

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51XADthn13L.jpg)

No, the book was about it's WWII exploits, it might have been a river gun boat but used along the coast line. I'm fairly sure it was in the Mediterranean theatre.

The front cover shows a ship similar to what Bill is building and it's in action, shelling something but IIRC it is being attacked by aircraft too.

EDIT: Found what the book is called --- Armed with Stings. It's about the RN's Insect Class Gunboats
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: finsrin on October 22, 2021, 08:17:10 AM
Thanks for the book tips you guys.  Peaks my interest.

Digging into stash today located 1/105-1/110 (quick measurement) built wood model USS Oregon. 
Was lightly damaged display model at a store which sells completed wood models.  Bought at DEEP discount, could not pass it up.  Project for another day.....
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: Buzzbomb on October 23, 2021, 02:26:57 PM
Nice work.

I really am liking where this is going

On the HMS Roberts, I have the built the 1/350 Trumpeter kit and it came out quite alright. It is a ship that looks like it means business.
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: finsrin on October 26, 2021, 05:08:47 PM
Made progress, like to made more.  Oregon has four anchors.  Two port & starboard at the bow.   Gun boat to have one on each side. 
To do something with aft positions they are now turrets for 50 cal (30 cal ?) defensive positions.  Using casement mounts from 1/426 USS Arizona will insert metal barrels same as on USS Arizona gun boat.  Pictures show cut open anchor positions with turret mounts.

Main gun positions holes filled with card stock for M60 turrets.  Decided to include the machine gun turret on M60 turrets.  Easier than devising a hatch.

see attachments
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: finsrin on October 30, 2021, 11:37:54 AM
Done a few things between other callings.
Cleaned hull sides by PSR of 1/225 portholes.
Main turret mount spots nearly smooth via PSR and primer.
Cut back bone off top of upper deck so its flat for mounting the bridge.   Left mount for rear funnel.
Finding workable bridge has taken time.   After much fuss am trying something different.   Cutting off rear of HO diesel unit for rear of bridge.   Adapting Revell 1/108 tug boat to front of it.   This way bridge front fits between forward secondary turrets.   Maybe whimsical, will see.   Hey, its kit bashing.

attached picture of cutting HO unit.....
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: Dr. YoKai on October 30, 2021, 10:37:21 PM
Sounds like good ideas for the bridge work - I really like the look of the train part.
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: Buzzbomb on October 31, 2021, 05:38:02 AM
Bits of train can work remarkably well.

Using one of the anchor wells for a turret for more guns... why not :smiley:
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: finsrin on November 12, 2021, 06:51:31 PM
 Abandoned doing bridge based on train parts.   After couple configs it just didn't work well with Oregon architecture.   May work on another build.   Ended up going with bridge (exclude cabin) of 1/72 Revell Walter Rose.

Similar back-n-forth adjustments with mounting M60 main turrets.   Got that figured out.   Using M60 hull turret mount made turrets to high.   Discarded that and cut mount ring off underside of turrets for proper sitting on deck.   Drilled hole in deck plate (plastic card) for tube glued in center of turret to go through.

   in work turret pictures attached
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: Frank3k on November 13, 2021, 06:25:27 AM
Its looking good lowered. It reminds me of this M60 training turret (https://www.ewarbirds.org/vehicles/m60trainer.shtml)
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: Buzzbomb on November 13, 2021, 07:15:23 AM
Coming along nicely
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: finsrin on November 20, 2021, 07:57:15 PM
Got enough parts placed together for a ruff look at configuration.   M60 turrets sized well to total size.   Four round places on 2nd deck to have Sherman 75mm turrets.   
Won't be all grays, color is coming.   Funnel is OOB using rear position only.   

  see attached      opening with Paint works best for me
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: Old Wombat on November 20, 2021, 09:25:00 PM
Looks pretty good, Bill! :smiley:
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: Frank3k on November 21, 2021, 01:05:17 AM
That's really looking good. With that bridge it reminds me of a Vietnam war river gun boat.
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: apophenia on November 21, 2021, 06:11:24 AM
Looking good!  :smiley:

...M60 turrets sized well to total size.   Four round places on 2nd deck to have Sherman 75mm turrets...

And that is some serious firepower for the size of ship  :D
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: finsrin on November 21, 2021, 08:29:03 AM
Thanks guys.  Does pack firepower for size.  This era naval architecture lends itself to kit-bashing and scale-o-rama.  Didn't make Vietnam connection but see it now.  Want to move along and finish.
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: Buzzbomb on November 22, 2021, 04:54:29 AM
The turrets completely change the look of this ship. Nicely done
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: finsrin on November 22, 2021, 03:24:08 PM
Yes, turrets completely change the look.  Thanks.
Buzzbomb's build got me to looking at Airfix Rescue Launch and Vosper kits for anything useful. 
Decided to try Rescue Launch machine gun turret in round spot in front of bridge where OOB mast goes.   Got that cut out and fitting well.
Be good to balance with other turret toward stern.   Turns out rear of Rescue Launch deck house which mounts turret can be cut back to fit aft of funnel.   Awkward area that did not know how to treat.   Right width to clear Sherman turret rotation.   Placed it there for photo.   PSR needed.   Turret mount bases are in place, both will rotate.
Unfinished M60 copulas in place for photo.
Will not use Opel truck 20mm turrets.

  see attached
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: Old Wombat on November 22, 2021, 04:15:08 PM
 :smiley: 8)
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: Dr. YoKai on November 23, 2021, 10:38:07 AM
 Coming along nicely!
Title: Re: USS Oregon gun boat
Post by: finsrin on November 30, 2021, 09:38:31 AM
Not finishing before GB deadline.   Thanks to GB did get about half done.   With that have solved design-fitment issues.   Hope to finish in December.

Also  --  Is 1/108 USS Oregon in stash.   Did turret sizing to be 1/72 large gun boat.   Will have to wait till later.