Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Completed GBs => Group and Themed Builds => 1920s/1930s GB or Between the Wars GB => Topic started by: apophenia on May 29, 2021, 10:45:15 AM
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(De)Signs of the Time
In the aftermath of WWI, Art Nouveau/Jugendstil was over and Arts and Crafts suddenly seemed naïve and outdated. The up and comer was arts décoratifs - although no-one used the term Art Deco at the time. In industrial design, Deco led to Streamline Moderne which dominated Western Europe and North America. In fascist Italy, Futurismo held on (although with its earlier 'rejection of the past' cant toned down). Design in Nazi Germany leaned towards grandiose brutalism with bold graphics partly negated by sentimental kitsch (despite which, German dirigibles became high icons of Streamline Moderne). In the Soviet Union, Proletkult (proletarskaya kultura) of the 1920s dominated until the emergence of Socialist Realism after 1932.
And isn't all of that a rich brew to splash about in!
Between the wars, industrial designers of quotidian consumer goods revelled in modern technology and new materials. And why not? The use of plastics (eg: Bakelite), formerly-rare metals like aluminum, etc., was in widespread use for the first time. Styles like Streamline Moderne were associated with luxury oceanliner interiors (indeed, in French, this form was actually known as Style paquebot). Suddenly, everything from steam trains to toaster had to be 'streamlined'. Chrome-plated horizontal 'speed lines' were applied to everything from autos to lamp stands.
Many consider this to be the high-point industrial design - with 'stars' like Norman Belle Geddes, Raymond Loewy, and Henry Dreyfuss. We'll get to some of their concepts but I'll end with two designs that epitomize Streamline Moderne for me: Lurelle Guild's sleigh-footed 1937 Electrolux model 30 vacuum cleaner and Paul Jaray's iconic 1934 Tatra 77 rear-engined streamliner car.
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Much of the design of the '20s and '30s was about luxury - or a 'swelligent' pastische of seeming elegance (think: streamlined Bakelite-cased radios for the masses). Fortunately for us, Streamline Moderne was taken to ridiculous lengths. For me, the contrasts come out best with ship design. Supreme elegance (for those that could afford it) came in the stylish interiors of the SS Normandie, Conte di Savoia, or Queen Mary. Apply streamlining concepts to the exterior of ships and things get delightfully weird.
Evidence? I submit Norman Bel Geddes' streamlined 'whale oceanliner' concept and the Black Ball Line's extra-roundy ferry, the MV Kalakala.
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Of course, not everything was streamlined in the 1920s and '30s. In some cases, where streamlining might have really helped, it was nowhere in evidence. Case in point, some the earlier large airliners with their blunt forms and/or profusion of drag-inducing struts. Truly built-in head winds! You can't make this stuff up ... but we can try >:D
Here, as case studies, I present the Farman F.121 Jabiru and Short L.17 Scylla.
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Where designers of the day really shone was with trains. If the 1930s was a 'Golden Age' for aviation, it must've been an age of platinum and diamonds for locomotives. Somehow these multi-ton lumps of cast-iron got transmogrified into svelte ambassadors of progress through speed. Streamlined claddings (sometimes retrofits) made these trains look fast while standing still at station-side.
My examples bring up point that could stretch this GB. In the US, Streamline Moderne lasted well into the '40s. Strictly speaking, our GB only covers the 1920s and 1930s but the style of that era continued on into the next decade.
What do you think? Are stylistic influences from '40s Streamline Moderne valid for this GB?
Attached are two examples from 1940: Lurelle Guild's forward-cab streamlined train concept and the Black Diamond Express (sleekly reclad flagship of the Lehigh Valley Railroad).
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We touched on Streamline Moderne auto design in the first post. This was the era of Buckminster Fuller's Dymaxion car, the McQuay-Norris Streamliner, Chrysler's Airflow production type, Greyhound buses, etc. To this mix, we must add Count Alexis De Sakhnoffsky's swoopy Labatt's beer trucks!
Sure, Labatt's watery lager wouldn't have tasted any better. But, damn, did it arrive in style!
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Last but not least, aircraft of the Streamline Moderne era. Not sure how these examples fit but, on the left is a Raymond Loewy 'design' typical of the jumbo transatlantic airliner concepts of the '30s. However, the helicopter on the right is much later. (In 1943, Loewy was asked by Greyhound Bus Lines to envision a transport helicopter of the near future - the result was this Loewy-Sikorsky 14-seater concept.)
Okay, whose got more inspirational images (or links) from this era of style and substance? (We haven't touched on shiny biplanes, Schneider Trophy floatplane, airplane-engined racing cars, ...!)
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The LaBatts truck looks like something from Willie Wonka! And I had to look really hard at the Farman three engine job to see where the pilot was! These are great examples of design and I look forward to see what folks come up with.
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Well, I could point to the clad streamlined steam locomotives operated by the New York Central and the Milwaukee Road as interesting cases. The more interesting case is where form met function in the Pennsylvania Railroad's GG-1 electric locomotives (the basic shape evolved from their P-5a (Modified) locomotives that were heavily redesigned after a major accident showed the problem with head end cabs) but the GG-1, particularly after Raymond Loewy replaced rivets with welding, is still a beautiful example of streamlining.
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Wow, some of that streamlined stuff is brilliant
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What a great start to a Group Build !
Love the Geddes ocean liner and the LaBatts truck ( but I'm not going to build them ;))
I have other plans ............. ::)
Mog
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Of course there are the wonderful French military (& civil) aircraft of the era!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Liore_et_Olivier_LeO_20.JPG/300px-Liore_et_Olivier_LeO_20.JPG)
Liore et Olivier LeO-20
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Breguet_274.jpg/300px-Breguet_274.jpg)
Breguet 274
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Amiot_143_1.jpg/300px-Amiot_143_1.jpg)
Amiot 143
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Lat%C3%A9co%C3%A8re_521_NACA-AC-202.jpg/300px-Lat%C3%A9co%C3%A8re_521_NACA-AC-202.jpg)
Latécoère 521
And some rather odd-ball Britons.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Avro_AldershotA.jpg/300px-Avro_AldershotA.jpg)
Avro 549 Aldershot
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/BP_Sidestrand.jpg/300px-BP_Sidestrand.jpg)
Boulton Paul P.29 Sidestrand
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/B%26P_BugleA.jpg/1000px-B%26P_BugleA.jpg)
Boulton & Paul Bugle
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/BlackburnCubaroo.jpg/1000px-BlackburnCubaroo.jpg)
Blackburn T.4 Cubaroo
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(http://parksandresorts.wdpromedia.com/media/disneyparks/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/RTM421SMALL.jpg)
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(http://weloveseaplanes.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/5/0/535099/5860940_orig.jpg)(http://www.airminded.net/sikorsky1/G1489.jpg)
(http://www.airminded.net/sikorsky1/G1621.jpg)(http://www.airminded.net/sikorsky1/G1618.jpg)
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([url]http://weloveseaplanes.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/5/0/535099/5860940_orig.jpg[/url])([url]http://www.airminded.net/sikorsky1/G1489.jpg[/url])
The one with the lions looks like someone just threw out the trash from lunch!
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Great stuff guys! I love the French stuff - especially the gazillion-port-holed Latécoère 521. Have to admit, though, ... I'd never heard of that gorgeously hideous Boulton Paul Bugle!
@ story: Now I've got 'Iron Man' stuck in my head! For anyone where it may be too early for Black Sabbath, might I recommend Larkin Poe's acoustic/steel slide guitar cover instead?
-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9VtRGCfj3I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9VtRGCfj3I)
The one with the lions looks like someone just threw out the trash from lunch!
I was thinking: Safari Sikorsky S-38 pilot-as-lion-snack :o
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(https://ychef.files.bbci.co.uk/1600x900/p02ct6px.jpg)
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For the Sikorskys look up Martin and Osa Johnson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_and_Osa_Johnson)
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The Henderson motorcycle:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/72/97/b372972c0fd836185a5aefcef94ab583.jpg)
Extremely cool, as long as you're going in a straight line.
Also in the same directionally challenged department, the 1939 Duesenberg Coupe Simone Midnight Ghost:
(https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/1111-38.jpg)
and the 1938 Delage D8-120S Saoutchik:
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/roa.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/14/47/546b0d0b17eb7_-_1939bugattitype57cbyvanvooren_petersenautomotivemuseum_front34-lg.jpg)
The Talbot-Lago Coupe T150 made a concession to the turn crowd:
(https://artblart.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/1938-talbot-lago-t-150c-ss-coupe_marriott_front-web.jpg)
1948 may be outside the time range, but the 1948 Norman Timbs Buick Streamliner is pretty cool:
(https://www.supercars.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/1948_NormanETimbs_BuickStreamliner1-1.jpg)
This 1929 Three-Wheeled Pleasure Car:
(http://www.fistsand45s.com/wp-content/uploads/3-wheel-car.jpg)
was also used in the sci-fi-ish 1929 movie "High Treason" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Treason_(1929_British_film))
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Co-K9dxUMAEmBN9.jpg)
colorized:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1akePIWUAAcHu3.jpg)
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(https://ychef.files.bbci.co.uk/1600x900/p02ct6px.jpg)
I was just thinking of some airship possiblities.
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https://mashable.com/2015/11/07/r-100-airship/
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https://mashable.com/2015/11/07/r-100-airship/
Love it! Full maid service ... Upstairs/Downstairs in a dirigible ;D
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For more on the R100, check out Nevil Shute's autobiography, Slide Rule. he got started in aerospace as a stress man on the R100, took part in the flight to Canada. and went on to help found Airspeed among other achievements. IIRC, he starte writing to occupy his time while on the road for Airspeed.
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Need I say more: 1930s, airship, cool idea, yellow wings...sigh.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/F9C-2_Sparrowhawk_fighter.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Macon_F9C2_with_landing_gear_replaced_by_fueltank.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/54/3e/fd/543efd30bb035dd8c2b25b20b3037265.jpg)
(https://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?id=NASM-2006-28377&max=3000)
https://youtu.be/IWoEQRl8dCs
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@ story: Now I've got 'Iron Man' stuck in my head! For anyone where it may be too early for Black Sabbath, might I recommend Larkin Poe's acoustic/steel slide guitar cover instead?
Plenty of Rocketeer figures out there in 28mm, good and bad
https://evilbobs.blogspot.com/2012/06/pulp-figures-rocketeers.html (https://evilbobs.blogspot.com/2012/06/pulp-figures-rocketeers.html)
What says pulp villain better than a flock of rocket propelled Schmeisser-totin' Hugo Boss-wearin' Nazis?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFreD9VNE3U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFreD9VNE3U)
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Need I say more: 1930s, airship, cool idea, yellow wings...sigh.
https://youtu.be/IWoEQRl8dCs
The article in particular, the magazine in general and the movie for giggles.
https://neverwasmag.com/2019/08/flying-aircraft-carriers/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Captain_and_the_World_of_Tomorrow
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colorized:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1akePIWUAAcHu3.jpg)
I saw this, thought "this screams Frank3k project" and then saw who posted it.
Nevermind - Emily Litella.
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Yeah, someday... my lab/modeling room is taking time to set up.
I love the 37mm cannon horn on this.
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That '39 Deusenberg is pure fanart. It seems to be a riff on the "Phantom Corsair" which was, an is a real automobile.
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Baby_tank.JPG)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/3.7inchHowitzerTowedByCarden-LoydMortarCarrier1929.jpg)
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The article in particular, the magazine in general and the movie for giggles.
https://neverwasmag.com/2019/08/flying-aircraft-carriers/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Captain_and_the_World_of_Tomorrow
The 1942 Goodyear concept matches the descriptions I've read of proposed rigid LTA scout units using modified BT-1's as their scouting and attacking aircraft. The book I am presently reading on USN LTA activity just before and during WW II says there was a definite push for those that was stopped at high command level due to other, more pressing needs, including non-rigid airships for ASW work.
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One more of Osa Johnson and her aircraft in Borneo 1935/36:
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/s39h85_1-jpg.626090/)
Click for bigger version
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A google search for Modern Mechanix Magazine (https://www.google.com/search?q=Modern+Mechanix&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiHmbCk7_7wAhVIIDQIHVKcBXQQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=2560&bih=1259) will come up with many bizarre cover. See the blog as well. (http://blog.modernmechanix.com/)
Not only were stylish cars not expected to turn left or right, radio and balls were the cure for every transportation ill:
Aug 1934 issue:
(http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/ModernMechanix/8-1934/cover.jpg)
Aug. 1936 issue:
(https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/9485874253.jpg)
June 1935 issue:
(https://pulpcovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Modern-Mechanix-June-1936.jpg)
Ships were pretty ballsy, too - Oct. 1935:
(http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/ModernMechanix/10-1935/cover.jpg)
Tanks:
(https://www.fulltable.com/vts/m/mcov/inz/10.jpg)
Airplanes were stylish and strange as well:
May 1936 issue:
(http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/ModernMechanix/5-1936/cover.jpg)
They also have this vehicle on the Oct. 1937 issue:
(http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/qf/c/ModernMechanix/10-1937/xlg_cover.jpg)
This Feb. 1936 cover shows a "parachute artillery spotter":
(https://pulpandoldmagazines.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/pulphtv-26.jpg)
The Oct. 1934 issue has a flying aircraft carrier:
(https://ia800701.us.archive.org/16/items/ModernMechanix193410/Modern%20Mechanix%201934-10.jpg)
This racing boat from the Feb. 1933 cover is cool:
(http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/ModernMechanix/2-1933/cover.jpg)
The flying Christie tank from July 1932 was tested by the Russkies:
(http://fly.historicwings.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/FlyingTanks1.jpg)
This guy on the Nov. 1936 cover is hunting for gold from the comfort of a tracked vehicle:
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WpHxaK6rHYc/UEy3i9_1XtI/AAAAAAAAEOQ/BFklUmDLciw/s1600/mod_mech_193611.jpg)
There's also The Lahaitre tracked motorcycle from the Feb. 1938 cover:
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mV7slSxMsDA/UEy3gyFARwI/AAAAAAAAEOA/1vXxG2KwiYQ/s1600/MMfeb.jpg)
I 3D printed this here (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=8317) and reprinted it with my resin printer.
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Wow, great stuff Frank! I don't know what the hell that thing is on the cover of the May 1936 issue ... but I like it :smiley:
However, the marketing department associated with that 'Sea Slug' naming needed to sit down and give themselves a little think ;D
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The weird airplane on the May 1936 cover is the Super-Speed Turbo-Plane (http://blog.modernmechanix.com/super-speed-turbo-plane-to-span-ocean/)
Why would anyone cross the Atlantic on a Sea Slug when they can fly in the Super Speed Turbo EXTREEEEME 2000 Plane instead?
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(https://cdn.britannica.com/72/76172-050-38F9ADAD/Boeing-B-9-twin-engine-monoplane-bomber-P-26-fighter-1932.jpg)
(http://www.jitterbuzz.com/manfil/MAN_Sep_1932.jpg)
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(https://i2.wp.com/industrialhistoryhk.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Imperial-Airways-World-Map.png?w=1029&ssl=1)
(https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/clientfileuploads/prod_image/26/productimages/2016JL3478.jpg)
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Gotta love those Imperial Airways beheamoths - flying gentlemen's club lounges :smiley:
The weird airplane on the May 1936 cover is the Super-Speed Turbo-Plane ([url]http://blog.modernmechanix.com/super-speed-turbo-plane-to-span-ocean/[/url])
Why would anyone cross the Atlantic on a Sea Slug when they can fly in the Super Speed Turbo EXTREEEEME 2000 Plane instead?
Oh, that Super-Speed Turbo-Plane is fantastic ... in all senses! Obviously, for Transatlantic flights, single-engined was the only sensible way to go :smiley:
However, if we're to beat out that old-fashined China Clipper, I say ditch those retractable wing tips and go full-on Super-Speed Ekrano-Plane!
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So much good stuff here, so much so I am in a quandry about what to do. The kit stash is almost devoid of fitting subjects, two popped out, the Pyro/Lindberg Fairey Flycatcher and the Airfix Hawker Fury in 1/48, Vehicles, nada.
But..... my vacform stash has a lot, even some flying boats. But 2 months may not be enough to tackle a large vacform.
Then there is niggling voice in my head saying that a 1/350 Alfa sub would make a great base for a streamlined train or something similar.
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I have the opposite quandary - I have a good supply of
victims subjects and can now almost "instantly" access any kit in my stash... but I still don't have my lab space set up to the point where I can build, paint or print. Probably won't until mid or late July.
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So much inspiration here, enjoying it :smiley:
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A real world airplane, the Shelton Crusader (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Gyro_AG-4_Crusader) aka American Gyro AG-4 Crusader.
Avis makes a 1/72 version:
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6Wyj6ZKAnDw/Wz1FVVY-UAI/AAAAAAAAk1k/VKoLvBIlrsAaRFjrl_FFsGdAno_sSJjYQCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_5885%2B%25281280x960%2529.jpg)
Gabriel Stern (https://wingsofintent.blogspot.com/2018/07/american-shelton-gyro-ag-4-crusader.html) built one.
Google image search for the Shelton Crusader (https://www.google.com/search?q=the+Shelton+Crusader&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwinxsDZjobxAhXYFzQIHW2uCRcQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=2560&bih=1259)
Also, the Ford 15p (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_15-P):
(https://i.imgur.com/wEGi7sl.jpg)
from here (https://imgur.com/r/WeirdWings/Fc3aCAW)
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Doesn't that Shelton Crusader just demand to be turned into a trimotor?
I have the opposite quandary - I have a good supply of victims subjects and can now almost "instantly" access any kit in my stash... but I still don't have my lab space set up to the point where I can build, paint or print. Probably won't until mid or late July.
I refer you to Rule 9 regarding potential extensions. There also unpublished Sub-Rule 9s.
Rule 9a relates to our international cash-transfer preferences but Rule 9b clearly states that high-quality additions to the GB Inspiration thread will go a long way towards buttering up the Moderator on extensions :smiley:
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uncle les' 1931 Ruston-Bucyrus Infantry Support Charabanc has to qualify as inspiration! Full details can be found here: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=9821.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=9821.0)
uncle les asserts: "Yeah - it's a thing" ... and we are forced to believe him ;)
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uncle les' 1931 Ruston-Bucyrus Infantry Support Charabanc has to qualify as inspiration! Full details can be found here: [url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=9821.0[/url] ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=9821.0[/url])
uncle les asserts: "Yeah - it's a thing" ... and we are forced to believe him ;)
well, regarding the assertion - please observe the footnote in the referenced link.
;)
(https://uncleles.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DSC04036.jpg)
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I could see a lot of soldiers getting sea sick. ;D
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Anyone up for a diorama?
(https://www.denofgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/image_1_-_kong_tower.jpg?fit=800%2C423)
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Air Racing is a good source of inspiration too:
(https://www.oldgloryprints.com/The_Racing_Age.jpg)
(https://catalogue.swanngalleries.com/full//742/745742.jpg)
(https://www.flyandrive.com/media/com_hikashop/upload/caudron-detroyat.jpg)
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After all, you just know that a set of spats like this will just have Brian smiling from above:
(https://alchetron.com/cdn/gee-bee-model-z-0e884370-0adf-4e2d-a597-5553dde33f9-resize-750.jpeg)
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Gotta love those 'tween Wars racers :-* Sleek and slippery with pilots seated in improbable locations :smiley:
And spats are a bonus. "Blessed Saint Brian - patron of all things trousered, big-booted, or otherwise whiffily wheel-covered - please bring my petition before Our Lady Polystyrene. Blessed Brian of Bash, spat for us!"
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This sort of GB was Brian's bread and butter, no less than three or four stunning entries complete with wacky backstories.
Sadly missed, always remembered
Mog
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This sort of GB was Brian's bread and butter, no less than three or four stunning entries complete with wacky backstories.
Sadly missed, always remembered
Indeed he is. And not one of Brian's stunning entries would be in anyway predictable ... unless maybe you predicted the inclusion of obscure snack-food references ;)
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This sort of GB was Brian's bread and butter, no less than three or four stunning entries complete with wacky backstories.
Sadly missed, always remembered
Indeed he is. And not one of Brian's stunning entries would be in anyway predicable ... unless maybe you predicted the inclusion of obscure snack-food references ;)
Also thought of Brian being in this GB and his creativity. "Sadly missed, always remembered" -- says it.
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This sort of GB was Brian's bread and butter, no less than three or four stunning entries complete with wacky backstories.
Sadly missed, always remembered
Indeed he is. And not one of Brian's stunning entries would be in anyway predicable ... unless maybe you predicted the inclusion of obscure snack-food references ;)
Forgot about the snack food references ;D ;D ;D
Mog
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Just had a vision of an angel rocking a pair of white Gangster spats
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Gotta love those 'tween Wars racers :-* Sleek and slippery with pilots seated in improbable locations :smiley:
And spats are a bonus. "Blessed Saint Brian - patron of all things trousered, big-booted, or otherwise whiffily wheel-covered - please bring my petition before Our Lady Polystyrene. Blessed Brian of Bash, spat for us!"
Don't forget Airship submarines...
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Don't forget Airship submarines...
Perfect example of Brian never being predictable ;D
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Technically Streamline Moderne only refers to a period style of, primarily American,
Architecture, not streamline design in general. The application of the term to anything
Streamline is of very recent origin and an artifact of the internet rather than scholarship
and design histories.
Wikipedia is one of the worst purveyors of mixed up crap and flat-out incorrect statements
when it comes to discussion of art and design of the period.
The Modern Era and/or The Machine Age are both better descriptors for the period.
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Good points. Mostly I just thought the term 'Streamline Moderne' was evocative. I do like the term 'The Machine Age' though :smiley:
And quite right that much of the design of the era springs from architecture. I haven't mentioned architectural styles mainly because whiffers tend not to do architecture. Which is kind of perverse in a way - since architectural models are all what-ifs!
If anyone is interested in a background primer on design styles of the '20s and '30s, Matt Bird at RISD has a series of introductory lectures on industrial design: https://www.youtube.com/user/HistoryofID/playlists (https://www.youtube.com/user/HistoryofID/playlists)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNKuNCiW0AAxr9I?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/72/3c/52/723c52b647e3147f2f898cf7a3b20b4a.jpg)
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(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Johannesson/2795L.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qp0hi6pAXy4/Vd3-u7SH5XI/AAAAAAAABjc/h7J2a9V7JQw/s1600/dhc-4-freds-2-2014593.jpg)
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On on a similar theme:
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/110/pics/67_3.jpg)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/110/pics/9_4.jpg)
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/110/pics/19_1.jpg)
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/73/c5/6973c53748d040fd0647f83112fcb935.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/42/e5/3d42e58ceb23f5af2c27d4efe2e7581e.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/48/e9/8d/48e98daa2ca52a0921da2eb7a7547c42.jpg)
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I love all things floatie ... but that Colombian Condor on floats is the Dog's Round Parts!
Mind you, I've got a real soft spot for the Westland 'What-a-Pity' as well :smiley:
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Tigermoth fighter.
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Mind you, I've got a real soft spot for the Westland 'What-a-Pity' as well :smiley:
Aka “what are we going to do with all these left over DH.9 bits?”
;D
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My all time favourite inter war type
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Fant%C3%B4me
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(http://www.aviationancestry.co.uk/Humm/Sites/Main/Views/Database/Images/Fairey/Aircraft%20Manufacturers-Fairey-1935-60313.jpg)(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/znL0LCnaRFE/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Nice! I love the Fairey Fantôme!
For non-R/C models, is the limited-run Tombo 1/72 kit the only game in town? Reviews of the Tombo kit aren't especially flattering :o
Aka “what are we going to do with all these left over DH.9 bits?”
;D ;D Building Wapitis would have been a bit like running downhill - easy to get started, trickier to stop.
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There is also this one:
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/1/4/1/266141-13150-22-pristine.jpg)
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/03C5B97E-A416-464F-86A6-9A5A89AB89B5.jpeg)
CFBV
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There is also this one:
Thanks Greg.
Branding themselves as 'Epoxy Resins' may not have been the best marketing choice. Sure makes it hard to search online for more details about their products!
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/F9C-2_Sparrowhawk_fighter.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasite_aircraft#1930s
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/03C5B97E-A416-464F-86A6-9A5A89AB89B5.jpeg)
Looks rather like George Peppard in The Blue Max.
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1930s USN Bureau of Aeronautics concept for an F9C follow on.
The colour drawings are from Robert Craig Johnson's long defunct
website.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51255828428_070015ff4e_h.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51256344369_e0e2122fbb_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51254865417_378b1f8c33_o.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51256344374_edc3fb7398_o.jpg)
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Bundesarchiv_Bild_102-10270%2C_Flugschiff_Dornier_Do_X.jpg)
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(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/fYIAAOSwVhFfxBn3/s-l1600.jpg)
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(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0024/5084/9907/collections/DH-88-Range-min_b9841e47a66dc1d5b8f8cb9b1603d638.jpg?v=1563401296)
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Ooo, ah! Who doesn't love a lipstick-red de Havilland Comet racer :-*
That Hughes racer is pretty tasty too :smiley:
-- https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/fYIAAOSwVhFfxBn3/s-l1600.jpg
Jon: That F9C follow-on is great! Doesn't take too much imagination to turn that into a BuAer Seafire :smiley: :smiley:
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Bundesarchiv_Bild_102-10270%2C_Flugschiff_Dornier_Do_X.jpg)
My twisted imagination sees that docked somewhere for a Hollywood musical with a chorus line on the wing.
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Don't forget the Spanish Civil War falls into this era:
(https://weaponsandwarfare.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/tumblr_nog3o89vdj1usoct5o1_1280.jpg)
(https://squadronshop.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/hy82496-2.jpg)(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/a97a63c0-19ae-4d37-87ae-872c5553b529/de9onwx-ea480236-9abd-4f20-a42e-8c0732df90ca.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_681,q_75,strp/spanish_civil_war___panzer_i_ausf_b_by_rugidoart_de9onwx-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NjgxIiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvYTk3YTYzYzAtMTlhZS00ZDM3LTg3YWUtODcyYzU1NTNiNTI5XC9kZTlvbnd4LWVhNDgwMjM2LTlhYmQtNGYyMC1hNDJlLThjMDczMmRmOTBjYS5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTAyNCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.-uNPiEDTEdQu--Yz_l0SrGOZoIqcuNnajSdS4-V4LH4)
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My twisted imagination sees that docked somewhere for a Hollywood musical with a chorus line on the wing.
"Springtime for Hitler"? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPXHRX8Q2hs)
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/73/c5/6973c53748d040fd0647f83112fcb935.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/42/e5/3d42e58ceb23f5af2c27d4efe2e7581e.jpg)
Idea: Star Wars, but with biplanes and zeppelins. :icon_jedi: :icon_vader:
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:smiley:
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Idea: Star Wars, but with biplanes and zeppelins. :icon_jedi: :icon_vader:
Biplanes, Zeppelins, and Walkers! :icon_vader:
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Idea: Star Wars, but with biplanes and zeppelins. :icon_jedi: :icon_vader:
Biplanes, Zeppelins, and Walkers! :icon_vader:
Steam powered, with smoke stacks sticking out the back! ;D
Actually, I'm fairly sure I've seen a steam punk Walker that had that feature.
Found a version (there are others):
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4e/31/c8/4e31c8bd6be5ea31387f80cfd9d8cde6.jpg)
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(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/cw1/bristol142/bristol142-c1.jpg)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/cw1/bristol142/bristol142-1.jpg)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/cw1/bristol142/bristol142-1.gif)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/cw1/bristol142/bristol142-2.jpg)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/cw1/bristol142/bristol142-3.jpg)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/cw1/bristol142/bristol142-9.jpg)
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(http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Martin-B10/IMAGES/Martin-B10-Bomber-Title.jpg)
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NACA and USN, Boeing F4B-2 T-tail test aircraft.
(https://i1.wp.com/generalaviationnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Of-Wings-Things-7-F4B-2-T-tail-NACA-.jpg?resize=1200%2C714)
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NACA and USN, Boeing F4B-2 T-tail test aircraft.
Wow! That is very cool :smiley: I'm guessing this mod was to test how T-tails would behave in high angles-of-attack - like carrier landings?
Loving those eye-popping B-10 schemes too :smiley:
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([url]http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Martin-B10/IMAGES/Martin-B10-Bomber-Title.jpg[/url])
Be interesting to see early model B-17s in a similar scheme.
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That would be interesting. Normally the B-17s were rocking the bare metal look though at least one was camouflaged:
(https://www.flightjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Boeing_XB-17_Model_299.jpg)
(https://www.flightjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/XB-17.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e5/99/02/e59902ec6ee8f21db8143ceac9ab9bbb.jpg)
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I do love those temporary schemes applied to Air Corps aircraft with water-based paints. Each scheme is like a Real World WHIF :smiley:
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(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/81/a9/14/81a914c0461941c5dcec1b6a45e387b9.jpg)
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(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/742/pics/3_7.jpg)
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(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/82/ff/8f/82ff8f52118d98c3eb89e3698d3e1cea.jpg)
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Curtiss A-8, Curtiss Conqueror V-12 powered. The A-12 was basically a radial engined conversion of the A-8.
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/aww2/a8/a8-5.jpg)
Standard direct-drive Conqueror.
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/aww2/a8/a8-8.jpg)
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/curtiss-a-8a-1-jpg.492349/)
The one-off A-8A with a geared Conqueror
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Yep. This was probably the biggest number of A-12s seen together as well (CFBV):
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Curtiss_A-12_Shrike_Formation.jpg/2880px-Curtiss_A-12_Shrike_Formation.jpg)
I never knew it but the Chinese used a small number too:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Curtiss_A-12_ROCAF.jpg)
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Those spats/trousers are really something:
(https://weaponsandwarfare.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/enbrytnyen.jpg)
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(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/0103b-jpg.632377/)
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Lockheed 12A Electra Junior, Arlington EAA Fly-In, August 2017, Arlington WA USA
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51316567014_f533d0bd44_o.png)
I took several photos of the aircraft, this is my favourite.
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Lockheed 12A Electra Junior, Arlington EAA Fly-In, August 2017, Arlington WA USA
I took several photos of the aircraft, this is my favourite.
Very nice! I have a soft spot for all of the Lockheed twins but the looks of the 12A are something special :-*
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Curtiss A-8, Curtiss Conqueror V-12 powered. The A-12 was basically a radial engined conversion of the A-8. <...>
([url]http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/aww2/a8/a8-8.jpg[/url])
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Now I really want to built an Americanized Stuka in those colours. :D
Just not sure if re-engined or not. On the one hand, the Stuka's normal engine adds to its otherworldly looks, on the hand, a radial engine would look cool as well. Whiffery problems.... ;D
Lockheed 12A Electra Junior, Arlington EAA Fly-In, August 2017, Arlington WA USA
([url]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51316567014_f533d0bd44_o.png[/url])
I took several photos of the aircraft, this is my favourite.
Wonder Woman's Invisible Plane. :icon_surprised: My, that's shiny. :-* Beautiful photo. :smiley:
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Does the A-8 have gun barrels sticking out of those ginormous spats?
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Lockheed 12A Electra Junior, Arlington EAA Fly-In, August 2017, Arlington WA USA
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51316567014_f533d0bd44_o.png)
I took several photos of the aircraft, this is my favourite.
Shiney!
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Does the A-8 have gun barrels sticking out of those ginormous spats?
Yes: 4 × forward-firing 0.300 in (7.6 mm) M1919 Browning machine guns mounted in the wheel fairings (CFBV)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Curtiss_A-8_No.60.jpg)
(https://media.defense.gov/2005/Dec/28/2000571572/1088/820/0/051116-F-1234P-037.JPG)
(https://www.smartage.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/11-3-600x355@2x.jpg)
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Just tripped over this story the other day, figured it belonged here.
LIFE Magazine is happy to provide our readers with the following excerpt from Dr. Jason L. Whitney’s history of the Pacific War of 1934. His complete work is part of the Time-Life series of books covering the tumultuous events of that year and the events leading up to it. For interested subscribers, an order form is enclosed at the back of the magazine at a reduced subscriber’s price.
https://cimsec.org/kill-or-be-killed/
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I like it! And it does indeed belong in this section.
But I'm wondering if there isn't some entire Group Build potential here. Maybe a future GB on Alternative Pacific Wars or some such? The concept could be a different mix of combatants and/or different timelines ... excluding extended-past-Aug-45 (since we recently did such a GB).
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It's amusing, but Curtiss Falcon two-seaters dogfighting with Nakajima Type 90/A2N fighters?
Yeah, not a good idea.
Also he seems to be giving early '30s aircraft 1940s ranges and an unrealistic ability to find
the other guy's fleet, he's also way overestimating their actual effectiveness against a ship.