Beyond The Sprues
Current and Finished Projects => Physical Models => Aero-space => Topic started by: arkon on February 21, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
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this is my new brain twist
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/biplanenew.jpg)
just need a few more parts to finish.
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Am waiting and watching...... :)
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Anything with "biplane" in the title sure has my attention!
Brian da Basher
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This should be very interesting... :)
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Sounds interesting. Proceed!
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Yes please. Hey I sent you enough decals to do her up Texican >:D ;)
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got some done tonite :)
have to make the lower wing out of plasic sheet
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/002-4.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/001-6.jpg)
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Interesting...
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Very cool looking ac
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I like it :)
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Wow!! :-*
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YOWSA!!!
I don't know if you've figured out the struts yet, but you can use wooden toothpicks in a pinch.
Brian da Basher
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i got some strutsfrom the neiport but i dont like them so i will probly form my own from some 1/8 plastic sheet.
whats killin me is the guns, igot one lewis and one spandua(?) in 1/48. got a bunch of 30's n 50's in 1/72 but they just look way to small. i want two belt fed guns ......but we will see what happens. been thinkin about a gatling or something..........
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Son of the Burgess-Dunne :) Cool concept!
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Looks like an ancestor to the Hughes Devastator of Crimson Skies fame:
(http://images.wikia.com/crimsonskies/images/f/f9/Plane_Devastator.jpg)
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love that game, got it on my old x-box! (no red ring of death so far).
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Nice! Go on!
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workin on some intakes for the engine
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/newplane1001.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/newplane1002.jpg)
do not like the square ish engine cover but its what i got. but with i get to make the scoops!!!
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It reminds me of a Westland Hill Pterodactyl :
http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/west_pterodactyl5.php (http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/west_pterodactyl5.php)
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ok dear sirs,(and to all that are here) i am thinking what if ww1 went more tank heavy and the germans came out with the first tank killer aircraft? i am thinkin a 20mm or 30 mm gun. i read the brits had a 37 for balloon bustin.
what would be the outside barrel diameter for those said type of guns?
thank you all
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This kitbash meets with my approval....
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Sweet progress so far. Hey bubba let me see how many guns I can come up with for you >:D
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ok dear sirs,(and to all that are here) i am thinking what if ww1 went more tank heavy and the germans came out with the first tank killer aircraft? i am thinkin a 20mm or 30 mm gun. i read the brits had a 37 for balloon bustin.
what would be the outside barrel diameter for those said type of guns?
thank you all
Hmmm. You've got three 'real world' options, maybe four. The Germans fielded a 13 mm bolt-action
rifle called the T-gewehr, really the first anti-tank rifle. A heavy machine gun the TuF ( Tank und Flieger )
based on the same 13mm round-it looks like an oversized Maxim or Vickers. A 20 mm cannon, the
Becker ( that eventually, after another development cycle, became the famous Oerlikon ) and a
short barreled 37 mm cannon that I don't know too much about.
The Germans did experiment
with downward firing machine guns, but they weren't too successful from what I've read-problems
in aiming them effectively given the pilot's view. But if you're building this as a two seater, who's to
say they wouldn't have put an observer/gunner in a forward gondola, just under the nose?
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... TuF ( Tank und Flieger ) based on the same 13mm round-it looks like an oversized Maxim or Vickers...
Yes, it was a scaled up Maxim MG08 and available in 1918.
... a short barreled 37 mm cannon that I don't know too much about...
Perhaps the Maxim-Nordenfelt 37mm autocannon? Another scaled-up Maxim, this one had been around since before the Boer War so it'd be well-proven.
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any pics of those two?
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Sure ... Maschinen-Fabrik Augsberg-Nurnberg MG 18 TuF:
http://www.cruffler.com/Features/FEB-02/Maxim13mmTuF.jpg (http://www.cruffler.com/Features/FEB-02/Maxim13mmTuF.jpg)
Maxim Flak: http://www.kaisersbunker.com/cc/cc18c.jpg (http://www.kaisersbunker.com/cc/cc18c.jpg) [sideview sketches]
http://media.photobucket.com/image/Maxim-Nordenfelt%2037mm/prion_photos/DSC_0034.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/image/Maxim-Nordenfelt%2037mm/prion_photos/DSC_0034.jpg)
Finding good online images of the 37mm Maxim-Nordenfelt can be a little tricky because the name kept changing and/or has since been mis-applied to other autocannons (Hotchkiss or Krupp) in German service. If you want to search further, you might try:
* 3,7 cm Masch. K (3,7cm Maschinenkanone) -- Kaiserliche Marine name
* 3,7 cm M FLAK (3,7cm Maxim Flak) -- Deutsches Heer name
* 3,7 cm Flak M 14 (3,7cm Flak Modele 1914) -- Reichswehr name
BTW, there was also an experimental Gast-Flieger MG firing the same 13x92SR round as the MG 18 TuF. As the name (and air-cooled barrels) suggest, the twin-barrelled Gast-Flieger was intended for aircraft use from the outset. It's less clear whether TuF was actually meant to be aircraft mounted ... but, then again, this is what-if ;)
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just a little more progress
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/biplane005.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/biplane006.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/biplane009.jpg)
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Looking good :) So, backward stagger like the Airco DH.5?
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Am following and liking.
This is good and without an engine hogging front of fuselage or a propeller to shoot thru, it can be a WW1 equivalent to P-39.
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Excellent job! :)
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ok. trying to figure out the landing gear. one wheel on each lower wing with a frame underneath the nose for a front? or a skyhook for zepplin duty? or a open tube frame out the back to make it a tail dragger?
hmmmm...
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any thoughts or ideas?
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Nose wheel + standard WWI style undercarriage at the rear?
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Whatever you do.. this is looking great
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definately a trapeze-hook for a Zepplin please :)
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Here's another vote for the skyhook. There's definitely not enough skyhooks.
Brian da Basher
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I discount Brian's vote for the trapeze due to his total self-interest ! ...... he just wants to build the airship to hang it from ;D
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Here's another vote for the skyhook. There's definitely not enough skyhooks.
Brian da Basher
Bu, Bu, But... that would mean no spats :o
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Here's another vote for the skyhook. There's definitely not enough skyhooks.
Brian da Basher
Bu, Bu, But... that would mean no spats :o
Ok spats and a skyhook! Just like the Sparrowhawks flying up to the Macon!
Go with a spat up front and two in back under the wings.
Brian da Basher
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sorry bdb, but i am goin with tricycle type gear(but may still put a sky hook, with the wheels as emergency landing alt.) worked on the gear some last nite will post pics later .
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(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/littleplane004.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/littleplane005.jpg)
workin on the nose gear,post some pics after the great day. july 4
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Who could complain about three very lovely streamlined spats?
Looks like you're making excellent progress!
Brian da Basher
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I just remembered that a while back I drew something similar in concept to what you are building:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/a25cffe4.gif)
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you forgot to flip the top wing over, Greg :D
my coloured Ssortabla ..... & a half-hearted try at a Lemac ....
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i like the rudders on that one gtx, may do something simular on mine.
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(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/wwwww014.jpg)
not to thrilled about the muzzle brake on the cannon so i am workin on something else,but i do think the landing gear came out ok.
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Looking good.
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Nice work on the landing gear! Looks like it belongs!
Brian da Basher
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Weird!
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... but i do think the landing gear came out ok.
Yep! And I love the anhedral on the lower wings :)
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new and improved muzzle brake! first time using pinvise drill! very happy with it, though holes could bemore uniform. oh and some canards for the front and some mock up vert stabs.
thinkin a name like dragonfly(but in german).not sure which manufacture would have made this.(not good at backstory or thinkin things all the wat though.)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/biplane003.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/biplane002.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/biplane001.jpg)
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thinkin a name like dragonfly(but in german).not sure which manufacture would have made this
Looks something like a Lippschish type design ? possibly more French tho ?
Whatever it is .... it's weird enough to demand that someone (Hobbycraft ?) make a kit of it :)
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Looks great.
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Y'know, that looks like a biplane version of a MiG-8 in general lines. That does suggest some possibilities.
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I really like the change in direction this project has taken! The new gun is a great fit as well as those way cool twin rudders!
Lippisch definitely! The International Translator says the German word for dragonfly is "Drachefliege" but hopefully you'll get a more authoritative answer from one of our native, German-speaking members.
Looks absolutely killer!
Brian da Basher
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Excellent design! :) The First Whif World War needs more designs like this!
<...> The International Translator says the German word for dragonfly is "Drachefliege" but hopefully you'll get a more authoritative answer from one of our native, German-speaking members. <...>
The German word for dragonfly is "Libelle". Drachenfliege is a very literal translation of the word that I've never heard used for dragonflies. However, a quick Google search reveals that Drachenfliege was actually listed as a name for dragonflies in an encyclopaedia from 1858. :icon_surprised: Oh well, you live and learn.
Lippisch Libelle has a natural ring to it, I think. :)
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Thank you, Moritz. When I first plugged dragonfly into the translator, it came back with Libelle which seemed oddly French and I thought that couldn't be right.
Then I tried dragon fly as two words and got Drachenfliege which seemed better. Good to have a native German speaker's input!
I've got to agree, the Lippisch Libelle certainly rolls nicely off the tongue.
Brian da Basher
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lippisch libelle mk4 it shall be. but i did like drachenfliege. it made me think dragon .
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just a couple o questions,should i stick on the secondary air to air gun seen in the last pic? if so where?
what do you guys think about a strut between the upper n lowwer wings? to me "in reality" it needs one, but i think it screws up the look of it.it is supposed to be " if ww1 went into 1919 or so" ,so i think they could have stronger wings with no need for bracing.
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Re gun: maybe, though you might find weight would be an issue. If you do use it, I would put it on the fuselage immediately ahead of the pilot.
Re the strut, you could possibly get rid of it. The Fokker Dr.1 for instance featured interplane struts in production models but these were not necessary from a structural standpoint, but rather minimized wing flexing. Early prototypes actually didn't have them:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Trprototype.jpg)
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Do a strut from the tip of the lower wing to the tip of the upper wing on each side; it would be efficient without a lot of rigging.
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Looking at the thickness of the wings, I think you can get away without any struts as Mr GTX suggested. I especially like the nod that gives to the Fokker Dr. I.
If you do decide to add struts, Mr Elmayerle's idea should definitely be considered.
Brian da Basher
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cries out for the Pink lozenge cam scheme :icon_fsm:
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thanks for the ideas,think i might put the gun on in the center and not go with the wing struts.
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primer
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j339/arkonkill/f18xl002.jpg)
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long time in postying on this one but the new child changes my build times.( from slow to glacier)
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Looks good. :)
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Worth the wait! and besides anything is faster than stopped... my current pace.
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A unique build :)
You have those pieces playing together well in that configuration. :)
Is another wanna do kinda build for my airforce.
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Very nice! This is one of my favourites biplanes ever seen! :-*
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The lozenge totally makes it all come together nicely.
Well done, arkon!
Brian da Basher
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It looks great with the lozenge decals. What scale is this? Having the radial behind the pilot means no more hot oil baths!
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thanks guys!! its 1/48.
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Very very nice !!! I'm working on something along the same lines myself,but in 1/72 scale. I'll try to have some photos up soon. I must admit,I wasn't sure if I would like it or not but once I saw it painted it looks grand !!! Good job !!!