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Modelling => Completed GBs => Group and Themed Builds => Gunships GB => Topic started by: Tophe on March 31, 2016, 12:25:58 PM
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Just one day remaining and I will post (the result of my painful thoughts).
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This I can't wait to see!
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Now is April 1st, Paris Time (and Greenwich?) even if Seattle and Honolulu may still be in March, let's go...
Gunship-Lightning murderers
Being myself a naïve (stupid?) pacifist, I have considered (as dear Weaver suggested) to draw Non-Lethal-GunShips, firing tennis balls on the shoulders of angry protesters/rioters. But at last I prefer facing my own contradiction: as I love aircraft (and more Spitfire than Dakota, more YF-16 than B.747) I tend to love killing gun-platforms… This forum’s gunship focus is a good occasion to admit it, alas. Here is my dear twin-boom P-38 Lightning equipped with 16 heavy guns, to mass murder a Vietnamese peaceful village classified as suspect (of not loving our civilization, all full of love and freedom as proven here…). :( :icon_sueno: :icon_crap: :-\
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With pivoting guns, I think only 8 turrest would be installed, with the fuselage all full of bullets, to murder even more/"better":
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And with a touch of asymmetry, a circle of fire would be possible "thanks to" this rotating Lightning (still with 8 guns):
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The asymetric one is interesting Tophe: getting arcs of fire past wing-mounted engines/stores is one of the problems gunship designers have. It's one reason I think the An-72 with it's overwing engines would be highly suitable.
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Engines above the wing for a free space below? Yes, it is very possible, even without jets. Is this the A-38W (for Weaver) or A-38A-72 (for An-72)?
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Tophe, maybe just make a gunship with a bunch of these:
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Honk66Pyhos/mqdefault.jpg)
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Tophe, maybe just make a gunship with a bunch of these:
;D
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Engines above the wing for a free space below? Yes, it is very possible, even without jets. Is this the A-38W (for Weaver) or A-38A-72 (for An-72)?
Oh nice one! That's given me an idea for something else as well... ;)
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Thanks to all !
And here is the Water-Baloon-Gun-Ship-38, thanks again to GTX !
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Maybe it could be flown by International Clown Rescue - an elite force of highly trained clowns that are sent to the world's trouble spots to make everyone stop being so stupid and to simply laugh at themselves:
(http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/d2f86b910b114cd780a250b62654fcbf/the-circa-clandestine-insurgent-rebel-clown-army-and-pink-machine-akbmf5.jpg)(http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/d08aabf3baeb420ca293fcfd9570aab8/the-clandestine-insurgent-rebel-clown-army-protesting-at-the-gates-b6xfy3.jpg)
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;) Thanks for this smile ! :icon_music:
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When I was a teenager, in the late 1970s, I had the (justified) reputation to be a lover of model kits, BUT I was very afraid that someone offers me someday a kit of tank killing machine instead of the bird-like aircraft that I loved...
What would have I done if that had happened?: a tank-aircraft mix, maybe - and for aerodynamic reasons, the gun cannot be pointed forward, so sidewards would have made it a gunship... unpleasant but possibly built, if... (what-if...):
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Being 51% tank and 49% airplane (instead of 49% and 51%) would have given this horror:
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Ahem, the aircraft above had no propeller nor jet engine, and seems a glider or sailplane (like the Antonov An-KT?), but this was mainly that I forgot to replace the propeller that was in the nose. Does this qualify as a gunship anyway? The "true" one could have been this:
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I suddenly realize something obvious (I was such a fool not thinking about it): no need of firing/killing guns, I may invent Lightning with turrets for either guns in the military role or tourists in civilian role...:
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Of course (?), there was a canard version of it:
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The tourists could be issued with photo-sniper-style cameras, like the ones used by non-violent hunters which take a picture with a cross-wire superimposed on it, so they could prove what they'd peacefully 'straffed'. Extra points for nudist private sunbathers.... >:D
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;) (thanks for this wise comment, with a funny touch of non-lethal evil >:D :D )!
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The canard Lightning XCA-38 had an airliner derivative, outscope here, but also a tourism/gunship derivative which is good (or bad) for here >:D ...
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairN_acc.jpg)
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The pusher versions were almost the same, but this was rather different for the gunship part of the family:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairN_acd.jpg)
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I don't know if a gunship pod already existed, otherwise I have invented it (for the tourism civilian version, I prefer :( ):
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Lightning without lateral tractor engines (for no obstruction to tourist view or gun shooting):
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On the opposite, a rear post may have lateral appendices:
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Another possibility came from parasol wing (including Catalina-like flying boat), or parasol sesquiplane... ;)
[I need a very long pylon due to my angle, hiding the pod behind the engine, sorry) ???
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The P-384-2 twin-engined derivative of the 4-engined Lightning P-384 could have been a gunship:
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There were also the AE-38A, B, C with aft tractor engines:
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:) Here is another one, but I lack ideas to complete my usual batches of 3... :(
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I have completed with 2 derivatives but they are not gunship. I think the last one cannot produce a gunship version, because lateral guns are directed downwards, no?
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Maybe there was a VTOL gunship, in the V-22 Osprey family, but the first (and second) tailsitter gunship(s) belonged to the Lightning family:
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As well, the first Powered Hang Glider gunships were part of the Lightning family:
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from the rules at http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=6165.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=6165.0) :
Helicopters are admissable, but please note that normal-style 'helicopter gunships' of the Hueycobra layout are not, since the turreted guns do not constitute their main weapon.
Yes, there were helicopters too in the Lightning twin-boom family, of course:
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The Gull-wing Lightning seems it had a gunship derivative, and there was a Burnelli Lightning this way also:
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With vertical booms (no lateral booms), it is more easy to have free sides:
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Different
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Yes, while this was not the last possibility...
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With vertical booms (no lateral booms), it is more easy to have free sides:
Vertical booms is interesting. You might imagine a flying boat with a pylon-mounted wing and a single central engine (like a single-engined Catalina) having it's engine pod extended backward into a boom to support the tip of the fin. Alternatively, it might have a very high pylon (probably associated with a biplane layout) and a pusher engine, or even a push-pull combo, in the middle of the pylon, with the upper boom supporting the tail fin.
Getting even further off-topic, imagine a twin-float machine with X-shaped tail surfaces attached to the floats at the bottom ends and twin booms at the top ones, and a pusher engine at the back of a fuseage pod.
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:-* Thanks for this bunch of ideas! They will be (unless I am killed before)... ;)
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You might imagine a flying boat with a pylon-mounted wing and a single central engine (like a single-engined Catalina) having it's engine pod extended backward into a boom to support the tip of the fin.
(First of 3 families) here are the Weavereed W-38A, YW-38, XW-38, thanks again!
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Alternatively, it might have a very high pylon (probably associated with a biplane layout) and a pusher engine, or even a push-pull combo, in the middle of the pylon, with the upper boom supporting the tail fin.
(Second of the 3 families) Weavereed W-38B, YW-38B, XW-38B:
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Getting even further off-topic, imagine a twin-float machine with X-shaped tail surfaces attached to the floats at the bottom ends and twin booms at the top ones, and a pusher engine at the back of a fuseage pod.
(Third family) This is not (completely) off topic... W-38C, YW-38C, XW-38C (the W-38C being a gunship or tourist aircraft)
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warf!
any aircraft can be improved by fitting floats ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks! (I supposed this is approval, while Google Translate told me that the English "warf" means the French "quai de marchandise" = dock...)
The one to thank is Weaver, having included floats in his design.
I could use his X-tail without floats, it seems:
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Thanks! (I supposed this is approval, while Google Translate told me that the English "warf" means the French "quai de marchandise" = dock...)
The one to thank is Weaver, having included floats in his design.
I could use his X-tail without floats, it seems:
I meant "ouarf" actually, in french ;)
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Sorry, I was still puzzled, but Google explained:
"OUARF OUARF !" (Traduction du langage chien : " JE SUIS TROP CONTENT !"*
(Warf if the way dogs say 'I am very happy')
Thanks!!! ;)
PS. *: Thanks also to https://www.facebook.com/gendarmerie.de.la.Gironde/posts/294679260698698 (https://www.facebook.com/gendarmerie.de.la.Gironde/posts/294679260698698)
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You might imagine a flying boat with a pylon-mounted wing and a single central engine (like a single-engined Catalina) having it's engine pod extended backward into a boom to support the tip of the fin.
(First of 3 families) here are the Weavereed W-38A, YW-38, XW-38, thanks again!
Nice one Tophe, although not exactly what I had in mind (same goes for the next set also). What I was thinking of was the tail fin being attached at it's root to the flying boat hull and at it's tip to the boom.
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Getting even further off-topic, imagine a twin-float machine with X-shaped tail surfaces attached to the floats at the bottom ends and twin booms at the top ones, and a pusher engine at the back of a fuseage pod.
(Third family) This is not (completely) off topic... W-38C, YW-38C, XW-38C (the W-38C being a gunship or tourist aircraft)
Now those are very nice, particularly the middle one. Thank you. :)
They could probably do without the small vertical tails, since the X-surfaces would function as both elevators and rudders in the manner of the V-tail seen on the Magister and Bonanza.
Thinknig about it some more, the X-surfaces would probably need a small bullet fairing where they cross to clean up the airflow and avoid turbulence, as was discovered with the Whirlwind, Sea Hawk etc...
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Yes, these are the final versions Weavereed W-38A², B², C²: (thanks!)
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Ahem, I guess gunships are not always murdering civilans: sometimes there is fire back and there is a need of armoured airplanes:
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With lateral engines separated from booms came other members of this family here, ending with an asymmetric twin-boomer, my favourite layout:
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The same with a little "more tail" (for balance):
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The Thunderbird-38 (not -2) had room for a million bullets or something, removable (the best murderer ever?):
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from the Rules at http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=6165.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=6165.0) :
Ammunition is getting low...better wrap up this mission soon chaps!
Well, no more ammunition at all means peace, and I love peace... ;)
but alas I keep on dreaming, sorry...