Australian T-50 M113 Conversion
Australian T-50 M113 Conversion ([url]http://www.firestormmodels.com/store/product.php?productid=1296&cat=58&page=1[/url])
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Another early ARVN addition was the mounting of armored helicopter seats on top of the original ACAV-type vehicles for unit commanders and their US advisors.
I do wonder if a version that would have six road wheels per side would degrade it's swimming capability.
I do wonder if a version that would have six road wheels per side would degrade it's swimming capability.
The Australian Army uses the M113AS4 which is a six roadwheel modification of the baseline M113. It isn't amphibious at all although it's also uparmoured which could account for this degrade in capability.
Regards,
John
I just may try to build a version like that, :o
Apparently the guard is a "Fire suppression rail" to stop the possibility of firing the mgs into the cargo area of the Bucket.
[url]http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/firestorm/fst081.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/firestorm/fst081.htm[/url]) (specifically the 3rd Photo & paragraph directly above this).
Regards,
John
Have to agree there Brian. Although it's mentioned often enough in various sources, the Buckets I saw/rode in were without it. Perhaps it was considered superfluous in an operational sense and was removed at the unit level?
Regards,
John
I just may try to build a version like that, :o
how about like this ??
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Have to agree there Brian. Although it's mentioned often enough in various sources, the Buckets I saw/rode in were without it. Perhaps it was considered superfluous in an operational sense and was removed at the unit level?
M113 with the ARES Talon 35mm gun.
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Would look good beside a Tracked Rapier.
Circa 1979, based on the M548 TLC. Each gun fired at 1,200 rpm a 35mm shell at 1,175 mps.
The article is quite interesting reading. The Russians (quite rightly) ask the question "why US OPFOR equipment is still 'Russian' rather than North Korea, Iranian or Chinese?".
What about an AMX13 style oscillating turret mounted on a M113?
Bah! Practicality be damned!
Well there's a fact I didn't know - the M113's trim vane is made of wood. I'd always assumed it was steel or aluminium and maybe added a bit of extra armour protection to the front, but then I saw a closeup of one on a somewhat shabby Aussie FSV and you could see the woodgrain. Bit of research and yep, wood. Various degrees of tinware were added to it with foam for buoyancy etc, but the basic structure is the same.
It just strikes me as a bit fragile - it's all very well saying it's easy to replace, but if you need to swim and your trim vane's been trashed by shrapnel, you may not have time to set up a carpentry shop... Mind you, I supose it's easy to roughly patch up with any old bit of wood and a few self-tappers....
It just strikes me as a bit fragile - it's all very well saying it's easy to replace, but if you need to swim and your trim vane's been trashed by shrapnel, you may not have time to set up a carpentry shop... Mind you, I supose it's easy to roughly patch up with any old bit of wood and a few self-tappers....
This, by the way, is the reason why the British Army removed the flotation screens that used to be a feature of most of it's AFVs. They were only tin and canvas and got damaged so often that they couldn't be relied upon to be functional on the rare occasions they were actually used.
Okay, a couple of questions, folks:Easy one, batteries.
Before they moved it out to either side of the ramp, the M113's fuel tank was in the back of the left hand sponson, on the "shelf" over the tracks as you'd see it from the inside. So:
1) What's in the equivalent position on the right hand side?
2) If there's nothing immovable there, then is there any reason why you couldn't extend the vehicle's range by putting another fuel tank there? I know there would have to be a filler cap above it as on the other side.
that side would be where a lot of the section / squad gear would go. Rucks, meals, tent, stove, ammo, snowshoes, water cans, radio trays (on some). In theory, it could have dual internal tanks, but there would not be much room left.
I thought you guys (and gals) would like to see this...
I've been looking up 105mm turrets...
Look what I've done!
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All you need is;
M113 ACAV
105mm Gun set (short barrel & baseplate)
Turret from Vickers Light tank
Reverse flow cooling intakes from Saracen APC
Afterburner connecting ring from 1/72 Hasegawa F-14
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Simples!!
true enough, but, the battery box occupies about 20% of the space as compared to the fuel tank.From memory we also stowed 20l water jerries on top of the battery box
Cheers for that! :)
Another question folks:
The US Army has always favored powered ramps at the back of an APC/MICV, whereas the British Army has always favoured side-hinged doors. What do we think of this? What are the issues and who's right/wrong?
I don't think the British vehicles (FV432 and Warrior) have significantly smaller doorways that M113s and Bradleys, it's just that the back is vertical wit ha single swing door, rather than sloping with a ramp.
There are a couple of disadvantages to the ramp:
1. It doesn't work if the vehicle power is off. Yes, they have emergency swing doors set in the ramp, but they're much smaller.
2. It can have problems if the ground behind the vehicle isn't flat: what if the end of the ramp comes down on a big rock, or a piece of urban street furniture?
On the other hand, there are a couple of disadvantages to the swing door:
1. If the hinge is on the left, then the door is hard to open when the vehicle's on a cross-slope with the left side higher, because you have to lift the weight of the door against gravity. Vice versa if the hinge is on the right.
2. Likewise, if the vehicle is on a right-side-higher cross slope, then a left-hinged door is hard to close, because you've got to lift it against gravity, and vice-versa.
Whichever way, I was under the impression you wanted minimal change to the M113 in British service?
Swiss M113 with the same 20mm cannon turret as the Pbv.302:
Hmmm...what if they had done the same with other cannon and thus given some M113s 30mm cannon?
I didn't want to post this picture before from Hunnicutt's Bradley in case it pre-empted Weaver's work. Nothing is new under the sun?
I am sure I've seen this turret on an M113 in the dim, distant past. I can't see why you couldn't use it as IIRC it fitted the standard cupola ring.
Cdn M113A3 with LAV-25 turret during AIFV trial.
Interesting mod here, but if the original M113 gunner was a bit exposed.... :o
Still looking for any 3 view drawing of the M113AS4:
Still looking for any 3 view drawing of the M113AS4:
The AS4 is being worked on by a styrene model making company. No further info at this time.
Modelling the Danish M/92 PNMK (with Oto-Melara T25 turret) mentioned by Weaver in Reply #73
[url]http://m113.blog.cz/en/1303/m92-pnmk[/url] ([url]http://m113.blog.cz/en/1303/m92-pnmk[/url])
"When I grow up, I want to be a Bradley!" ;D
From the same site:
M113 with Cockerill 90mm gun:
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I didn't want to post this picture before from Hunnicutt's Bradley in case it pre-empted Weaver's work. Nothing is new under the sun?
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But not to worry M113 Scimitar turret fans because this is actually a turret from the Fox scout car! So therefore an entirely different concept. No context as to what the proposal was for but possibly a sales attempt from the makers of the Rarden 30mm gun?
Cheers for that! :)
Another question folks:
The US Army has always favored powered ramps at the back of an APC/MICV, whereas the British Army has always favoured side-hinged doors. What do we think of this? What are the issues and who's right/wrong?
From the same site:
M113 with Cockerill 90mm gun:
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With the range of modern ammo, this arrangement would have been a great replacement for the Australian Army's M113A1 Fire Support Vehicle (FSV) / M1113A1 Medium Reconnaissance Vehicle (MRV). Unfortunatly our only fire support is the 25mm cannon of a handfull of ASLAV-25's! These do not offer effective HE or anti-armour/ anti-bunker capability. But that's why I have probably favoured the incorporation of the likes of the South African Ratel 90 turret (with it's 90mm gun) arrangement incorporated onto the ASLAV or what about on a Bushmaster!!!
M.A.D
Speaking of the ASU-57, what about a M113 of more conventional arrangement (as opposed to what I proposed above) but with a main gun and open topped gun compartment like the ASU-57:
The ASU-57 is tiny. Basically not much taller than a normally seated man. The ASU-85 is considerably taller, about the height of a tall standing man.
There were various experimental vehicles, mounting either missile control shelters (Pershing system) or SPAAG (Vigilante 37mm Gattling system) which were never adopted, which had low profile hulls (so low in fact that the driver had a "conning tower" arrangement with a cupola on top to provide room for him). I've often wondered what might have been possible if a supine driver's position had been adopted.
here's that Libyan M-113 SPG ...
According to the SIPRI Arms Transfers Database, Libya received its first 15 M113s from the US in 1966. Other sources note further M113 deliveries around 1980. The latter are usually listed as being ex-Italian (although I've never seen a source for that claim). If Italy was the source, presumably that would be true for the Libyan M577s too.well, the original 1966 transfer would've been pre-Qaddafi since he didn't come to power until later in the 1960's. If memory serves me correctly, he threw the US out and took control of Wheelus AFB in 1969.
In 2009, Libya had partly worked out a deal with the US for up to 50 more refurbished M113s in 2009. The US Congress blocked that $77M deal which involved Turkish FNSS Defense Systems (a BAE/NUROL joint venture). Makes you wonder if the source for some of Qaddafi's M113s wasn't Turkey all along?
I've been wondering, when did Libya get M113s? They weren't exactly one of the US's favourites after Qaddafi came to power... <...>
Random Idea: Wheeled M113?
How about one converted to a sci-fi B-movie prop? Clear bubbles over the driver and commander's hatches, the obligatory rotating radar dish on a panel that fits in the original roof hatch and a pair of wobbly "waldo" arms like the ones on the James Bond moon buggy from Diamonds are Forever? Nice silver paint job...... ;)
There's a M113 under there somewhere...
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Yes, but it's too small (about 1/100th is the best guess) so it doesn't go with any of my other vehicle stuff.
Yes, but it's too small (about 1/100th is the best guess) so it doesn't go with any of my other vehicle stuff.
Damn! Why can't it be 1/35??Aside from the Verlinden interpretation of that turret and gun combination in 1:35th scale there is a guy by the name of Greg Buechler making turned metal barrels on Missing-Lynx forums to sell.
Forget the M113 that just belongs on a Marder or a Scopion! Intact I could see it on any one of a range of different AFVs ;D
Damn! Why can't it be 1/35??Aside from the Verlinden interpretation of that turret and gun combination in 1:35th scale there is a guy by the name of Greg Buechler making turned metal barrels on Missing-Lynx forums to sell.
Missing Lynx Forums - IMI 60mm update ([url]http://www.network54.com/Forum/47209/thread/1288532966/IMI+60mm+update[/url])
PhotoBucket Image Gallery - Sherman with 60mm HVMS ([url]http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/GregBuechler/library/?sort=3&page=1[/url])
LOL - if there's been someone here to have a bet with, I'd just have won it...... 8)
It's in the correct scale: what more could any sane person want?
Forget the M113 that just belongs on a Marder or a Scopion! Intact I could see it on any one of a range of different AFVs ;D
Probably too small for a Scorpion, but a Marder, Warrior or Bradley would be right on the money. IIRC, there was a proposal back in the 1960s to fit the Marder with a Bofors 57mm.
The trials were carried out with a Bofors 57mm AA gun which was placed inverted in a new turret on top of the Marder, which was also armed with twin TOW launchers IIRC.
There was also another version, armed IIRC a 40mm Bofors gun and a HOT launcher for comparison.
Back onto the M-113....Deloc 25mm turret (as manufactured in Australia for ASLAV25) for DFS version,
I'm surprised no one has asked "what M113?" ;D
As a subtle whiff, what about a M113 with a bow gun like the Japanese Type 60 APC:
Maybe have the driver be the gunner?
As a subtle whiff, what about a M113 with a bow gun like the Japanese Type 60 APC:
Could be done, but who's going to operate it? You'd have to rearrange the bucket to have it's engine in the middle like the Type SU 60 (the later Type 73 had the same layout too), in order to get a gunner alongside the driver. Mind you, that would be a nice whiff in itself: I've heard the Type 60 dismissed as "just an M113 copy" several times by people who havn't really looked at it.... >:D
On kind of the same subject, a system I came up with ages ago for a heavy APC had two AGLs one on the front of each sponson, which could be controlled by the driver or commander. The commander could use them in a sophisticated way, but the driver had a very simple "emergency pattern" button which basically filled the frontal arc of the vehicle with frag and/or smoke. There no aiming involved: it was just an emergency "go around the corner into a street full of RPGs - sh*t!!!" facility...
Hmmm….
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Hmmm….
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IIRC that is a mine clearing system.
When was the very first stretched M113 developed? I've been wondering under what kind of circumstance an army could have gone straight for the stretched M113 as the primary infantry carrier......
I wonder what that little flipped up panel at the rear left of the Samson is in the firing picture? Looks almost like a small solar power panel.
Yes, you could be right, Guy. I'd have thought some pop out panels would be easier for that.
Does anyone do the Samson as a (good) upgrade/mod kit in 1/35? ???
I can think of some uses for it! ;)
WANT!
Anyone got pics of it?
I know the idea of arming M113 with recoilless rifles has been mentioned a few times...... but what would the expert choice be if it's auto-loading v.s. having two guns?
WANT!
Anyone got pics of it?
Does anybody know where to purchase it?
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M113 with vertical launched FOG-M missiles.
I remember seeing a photo of an AAAV-7 with its troop compartment filled with rockets with fuel air explosive warheads for a mine clearing trial, it looked quite impressive.
Back onto the M-113, how about either a Tilly, a Tracked Rapier, Chapparell or the flat bed version of the Australian AS4 updated version with a Sea RAM mount? It just came to mind while I was typing the above.
The chain of thought was an artists impression of a conceptual Israeli truck based air defence vehicle incorporating a Phalanx between the axles and a VLS for 8 Barak missiles behind the rear axle which made me think of Sea RAM instead of Phalanx and then because this is the M-113 thread I thought why not.
Sea RAM is intended to destroy Anti-Ship missiles at close range as a CIWS. What would you use it for on a truck? I suppose it could be used to protect high value point targets but I can't see it being much use in the field.
Sea RAM is intended to destroy Anti-Ship missiles at close range as a CIWS. What would you use it for on a truck? I suppose it could be used to protect high value point targets but I can't see it being much use in the field.
One could use it in a C-RAM (Counter Rocket, Artillery, and Mortar) role just as the Land-Based Phalanx Weapon System and Rafael Iron Dome systems are.
Speaking of FOG-M and Polyphem - what ever happened to them? They seem to just faded away. Which IMO is a real shame as both would be very useful on a battlefield.
What the heck, hmmm. That be different.
Hi there
The Mouse House Team is currently working on the complete resin / PE kit of an M113AS4 APC hopefully to be released later this year.
So far we have the basic hull and turret done. The new drive sprocket and T150F track links are ready for casting. The rear fuel tank just needs detailing. Having said that, there are an endless array of smaller detail bits that still have to be created.
The hardest part was the front headlight cluster brush guard. In the end we had that drawn and the master 3D printed.
If you are interested in purchasing the model in due course please register your interest by sending your name to webmaster@mheaust.com.au.
Mouse House Team
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Hi I came across this, would be an interesting build
I didn't want to post this picture before from Hunnicutt's Bradley in case it pre-empted Weaver's work. Nothing is new under the sun?
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But not to worry M113 Scimitar turret fans because this is actually a turret from the Fox scout car! So therefore an entirely different concept. No context as to what the proposal was for but possibly a sales attempt from the makers of the Rarden 30mm gun?
What's more challenging...adding the gun on top or replicating the paint scheme?
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You can get the gun (Zu-23-2) in 1/72nd: Ace make/made one. It doesn't come with the shield though, so you'd have to scratch that.
What's the missile in the top one?
An Australian version could use the Delco turret as built for the LAV II in Pooraka South Australia.
Ditto:
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An Australian version could use the Delco turret as built for the LAV II in Pooraka South Australia.
Like this Canadian one...
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if its any consolation, I do the same thing all the time! ;D
... To my knowledge, it was never live-fired in this vehicle-mounted configuration...
Ditto:
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I think they might flip & pivot. I see them being stored not alongside the hull, but on the hull roof, 4 missiles (2 pods of 2) flat on the roof. To launch, they would flip outwards, still parallel to the ground, and once clear of the hull, the bottom pivots toward the ground unit they are in the vertical launch position.
Slightly larger image:
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Source ([url]http://www.militarycanada.8m.com/m113apc.htm[/url])
An EIFV, not bad really
Ditto:
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Is that MAG co-axial with the missile tubes?
It is designated the ACV-30 HISAR. It is a Turkish development by Aselsan. As of mid-2015 three prototypes of the system have been completed, with delivery of the first systems to the Turkish military for qualification planned for 2017.
...... M113A2 with Elbit UT30 Mk.2 remote controlled weapons station 25mm auto cannon.
That's a big turret for just 25mm. I take it that it's designed to not take up internal volume in the vehicle?
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Hafiz IDF ATGW equipped version of the M113... ([url]http://www.armyrecognition.com/august_2011_news_defense_army_military_industry_uk/israeli_army_idf_reveals_the_most_precise_electro_optic_missile_tamuz_armoured_apc_hafiz_1208112.html[/url])
Except the driver is on the wrong side. I'd suggest that was a FV432, not an M113.
Except the driver is on the wrong side. I'd suggest that was a FV432, not an M113.
Yep, it's a Bulldog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV430_series#FV430_Mk3_Bulldog
What about a 25-30mm Bushmaster instead of the GAU unit?
The Talha is the first Pakistan's indigenously developed armored personnel carrier. The Talha uses chassis of the US M113 APC, but is better protected. Similar vehicles are offered by Turkey, however Pakistan went for an indigenous design in attempt to have a cheaper locally-built APC.
Main armament of the Talha APC is a 12.7-mm machine gun, located on top of the roof. Various bolt-on armor can be added for enhanced protection.
This APC can carry 11 fully equipped troops. There are two firing ports from either side - a feature that the M113 was lacking. Troops enter and leave via the rear ramp.
Engine compartment of the Talha APC can accommodate either a Detroit Diesel 6V53T engine, developing 275 hp, or a Ukrainian sourced UTD-20 diesel, developing 330 hp.
Talha armored personnel carrier is fully amphibious and can cross water obstacles virtually without any preparation.
The army of Pakistan planned to buy 2 000 of these armored vehicles by 2010, however it is unknown if these vehicles were delivered due to funding problems. To date only Iraq has ordered 44 of these vehicles. Current production status of the Talha APC is unknown.
Variants
Saad armored personnel carrier, fitted with more powerful engine. This APC has an extended hull and is better protected. It is armed with 14.5-mm machine gun;
Mouz anti-tank guided missile carrier, armed with RBS-70 missiles. It has a crew of four;
Maaz anti-tank guided missile carrier, armed with Baktar Shikan missiles. It has a crew of four;
Al Hamza infantry fighting vehicle, armed with a 25-mm cannon;
Satab command post vehicle;
Muhafiz internal security vehicle;
Al Hadeed armored recovery vehicle, fitted with a crane and hydraulic winch;
Al Qaswa armored logistics vehicle. It can be used for carrying fuel, ammunition and supplies.
The M59, the predecessor to the M113, is said to be unreliable due to its power system of two truck engines mounted on each side of the hull and directly connected to the transmission.
No problems with the drive train apart from the lack of power it seems.
I looked up a couple of articles and one mentioned it being unreliable. The others didn’t. Must be one of these tables that get passed around.
The Schützenpanzer Typ A might be the focus of friendly fire on the battlefield - it looks a lot like a BMD-1.
The tank hunter looks interesting, but the complete hull would have to be scratchbuilt - it only has 4 wheels per side.
I'm not sure that I'd want to put the fuel tanks at the front, right next to the driver and the TC
Now that I get to see how its top side looks like, the M59 really reminds me of the Rhino in Warhammer 40K ;)
Minus the side hatches.
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New twist on the M113 family thanks to here ([url]http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/03/26/the-other-kanonenjagdpanzer/[/url])
Seeing the German companies develop the German army and producers to develop their tank destroyers and APC’s, the Americans wanted a share of that pie as well. Specifically, the Food Machine Company Inc. (FMC), the creator of the US M113 APC (developed a few years earlier), wanted to sell something to the Germans. Therefore, in April 1963, an offer was made by FMC to the Germans for two types of armored personell carriers, called APC Type A and Type B (Schützenpanzer Typ A and Typ B).
Schützenpanzer Typ A isn’t that interesting, although it looks very pretty.
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Schützenpanzer Typ B is much more interesting, because included in the proposal, something else was hidden. This is how Type B was proposed to look:
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As a part of the proposal, three more vehicle variants (well, four technically) were proposed. Two aren’t interesting for us (one was a 120mm mortar carrier, the other was a dedicated ATGM launcher). Third variant however was a 90mm Kanonenjagdpanzer proposal on Type B chassis. This is how it was supposed to look:
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Basically, what we have here is a 90mm tank destroyer on modified M113 suspension. Technical characteristics:
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And here is the fourth variant, 90mm Kanonenjagdpanzer with (unspecified) ATGM system (Shillelagh missiles are mentioned)
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Might make for an interesting scratch build.
... Academy or Italeri hulls and I have several (okay, probably a dozen) of both kits sitting right here in my kit stash here at the house...
Jeff: With a dozen Italeris and all those cheaper Tamiya kits in the stash, how about a 7-wheeled Norwegian M113F4 prototype? ;D
Maybe add a bunch of M113s together to do an articulate$ road train style creation?
Maybe add a bunch of M113s together to do an articulate$ road train style creation?
An M-113 based BV 206 type vehicle
Does any one have information as to what year FMC produced this more capable variant of the M113???
I'm also curious as to the year that FMC produced the 'Mobile Tactical Vehicle Light (MTVL) derivative of the M113???
Somebody tell those two guys that's not a good place to stand!
Random idea: fit turret from FV433 Abbot SPG onto M113.
You could also use the M474 Pershing missile carrier with the cut down hull as the basis for that turret, too.
Random idea: fit turret from FV433 Abbot SPG onto M113.
Quickie ...
You could also use the M474 Pershing missile carrier with the cut down hull as the basis for that turret, too.
I've got a conversion kit for the M113AS4 in the stash.
You can also see a short video on the AS4 upgrade here: https://youtu.be/yoTmgk1w9Pw (https://youtu.be/yoTmgk1w9Pw)
I also recently found out that the Germans and Danes have/had some 6 wheeled stretched version as well.
There's an M113 under there somewhere:
(https://readtiger.com/img/wkp/en/FMC_210_Skidder.jpg)
That would be by Mousehouse, which has since closed down, sadly. Grab one wherever you see it.
There's an M113 under there somewhere:
I don’t suppose anyone makes a kit of the 40/50 turret or the Sam turret.
I suppose at this point Greg/GTX will have to find and purchase one of these rare conversion kits to get the ball rolling again and maybe, just maybe DML/Dragon or AFV Club will provide us plebs with an injection moulded model of this very esoteric version of the M113 'Bucket' APC. :smiley:
No comment...
Have you been looking at Combatreform again . . . ?
Have you been looking at Combatreform again . . . ? ;D
cheers,
Robin.
A wheeled M113 has been on my Whif-list for a while. Either use the existing suspension arms or borrow 6 wheels & suspension from an existing kit.
From 2009: The Italian company of ARIS SpA (Applicazioni Rielaborazioni Impianti Speciali) has developed, as a private venture, a special kit to improve the amphibious capability of the M113 series full-tracked armoured personnel carrier. ARIS has developed an oceanic kit that transforms the M113 APC in a fully Amphibious Landing Vehicle, named ARISGATOR. Main parts of navigation kit are: the bow, to improve M113 floating ability and hydrodynamic penetration, the sterns incorporating two separate controlled propellers that allow high manoeuvrability in navigation up to a complete spin on Arisgator vertical axis. During navigation, the original air intake system is automatically excluded and a snorkel system on the top of the vehicle is activated. In this configuration, ARISGATOR is able to carry safely eight fully equipped soldiers plus the driver. ARISGATOR can safely navigate in open sea even in considerable rough conditions, showing a very low profile above the water and maintaining the same performance on land as the original M113 APC.
It’s likely that is based on the weight with a standard operational load...
Sadly, the M-113 may end up outlasting the ASLAV in the RAAC.
Sadly, the M-113 may end up outlasting the ASLAV in the RAAC.
If it does it will be because there are other higher priorities.
When the FV101 Scorpion were withdrawn from service in 1995 due to the toxicity hazard in the crew compartment caused when the main armament was fired, they were then remanufactured into the Sabre variant, with the turret from a Fox Armoured Reconnaissance Vehicle with the same 30mm RARDEN cannon as the Scimitar. What if around the same time, instead of retiring their similarly armed (to the Scorpion - same turrets in fact) M113MRVs, the Australian Army decided to go with something similar as part of the M113AS4 upgrade? I am thinking the result would look somewhat akin to the F432-30:
(https://i.imgur.com/bvPwhic.jpg)(https://i-com.cdn.gaijin.net/monthly_2022_02/650959581_FV432-30Rarden.png.d39aff70d915f65a98cbf671529739a0.png)
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[url]https://en.topwar.ru/138362-ustanovka-razminirovaniya-m130-slufae-ssha.html[/url] ([url]https://en.topwar.ru/138362-ustanovka-razminirovaniya-m130-slufae-ssha.html[/url])
I still think that this looks like some craze scale-o-ramered creation from here...
Does this turret make my M113 look small? ;)
(https://preview.redd.it/proposed-upgrade-for-ukraines-m113-a-90mm-cannon-v0-p73iaa54zat51.jpg?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=f13523100357aa079693ed5f9a954da8ed66e09b)
Just bought some yellow paint :smiley:
Not sure school buses should have machine-guns tho.
... it's a mobile range observation tower for an Italian artillery unit...