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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #3400 on: June 03, 2025, 10:05:19 AM »
Cheers Xen!

I'm still playing with sping-off ideas from your Alt BC ... although, here, I think I'm a decade off of your timeline. Anyway, a pair of AMC autos-turned-work-trucks (I'm a sucker for those little European cars-turned-panel-van).

On the left is a Gremlin UWV (Urban Work Vehicle) of BC  Tel. The rear of these UWVs were customised according to customer requirements. In the case of BC Tel Gremlins, exterior equipment boxes were fitted to either side along with a substantial roof rack for ladders and lineman's poles.

On the right is a Hornet Delivery - a mélange of 2-door sedan and estate panels. Burkeville Electricians have modified the standard AMC roof rack to attach ladders.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #3401 on: June 03, 2025, 03:02:04 PM »
Oh wow I love those! The Gremlin in particular is just pure <3 ... to the extent that even though it's not likely BC Tel would be buying vehicles from anyone but Leyland or Bedford, I wanna include this... maybe they got a really good deal on a small batch of Brampton-built Gremlins...
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« Reply #3402 on: June 04, 2025, 04:58:05 AM »
Excellent! So glad that these are of interest. I was certain that these would be outside of your timeline. But, yeah, if they came from Brampton Assembly ... it could work.

The Gremlin UWV actually came as a bit of an afterthought. I began with that notion of a factory panel van combining bodywork from the Hornet 2-door with a station wagon roof and rear section. Then came the realisation that operators might be tempted to carry enough to over a Hornet rear suspension. So, I thought, maybe shorten the Hornet's rear end ... which seemed kinda familiar  ::)

BTW: The 'Brighouse' exchange name on the Burkeville Electrians' telephone number was intentionally anachronistic. In OTL, AFAIK, BC Tel switched from 'Br.7' to '277-' in 1968. But I was amused by the notion that letter prefixes might have hung on longer in Alt BC ...
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #3403 on: June 04, 2025, 07:01:37 AM »
I've sen Leyland P.76s converted from wrecks into wagons & utes.  The Mustang wagon looks horrible but how would a Mustang pick-up look  ???

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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #3404 on: June 04, 2025, 07:11:36 AM »
Excellent! So glad that these are of interest. I was certain that these would be outside of your timeline. But, yeah, if they came from Brampton Assembly ... it could work.

The Gremlin UWV actually came as a bit of an afterthought. I began with that notion of a factory panel van combining bodywork from the Hornet 2-door with a station wagon roof and rear section. Then came the realisation that operators might be tempted to carry enough to over a Hornet rear suspension. So, I thought, maybe shorten the Hornet's rear end ... which seemed kinda familiar  ::)
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Well, I do really like it! Maybe BC Tel sent them over to Utari Mosir, or some other similar place where they're not *that* much in the public eye... that Atlin/Bennett/Tatshenshini region seems a suitable spot...

BTW: The 'Brighouse' exchange name on the Burkeville Electrians' telephone number was intentionally anachronistic. In OTL, AFAIK, BC Tel switched from 'Br.7' to '277-' in 1968. But I was amused by the notion that letter prefixes might have hung on longer in Alt BC ...
Although I've worked out the postcode system, telephone exchanges aren't something I've given any thought at all to... don't give me (these kinds of) ideas :P
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #3405 on: June 04, 2025, 07:13:00 AM »
I've sen Leyland P.76s converted from wrecks into wagons & utes.  The Mustang wagon looks horrible but how would a Mustang pick-up look  ???

I love that P76 ute!
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #3406 on: June 04, 2025, 09:24:41 AM »
Sometimes, you can see something good in your mind ... only to have the pixel effort face-plate in shame!

A case in point, this Leyland P76 Force 7V with an AMX treatment applied  :P
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #3407 on: June 04, 2025, 09:53:09 AM »
Sometimes, you can see something good in your mind ... only to have the pixel effort face-plate in shame!

A case in point, this Leyland P76 Force 7V with an AMX treatment applied  :P

My first thought on seeing it before seeing the text, is this is AMC's interpretation of a 240Z.
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« Reply #3408 on: June 05, 2025, 04:32:13 AM »
My first thought on seeing it before seeing the text, is this is AMC's interpretation of a 240Z.

Yeah, it does have a Z-car-gone-seriously-wrong vibe about it.
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« Reply #3409 on: June 05, 2025, 09:10:06 AM »
A bit of additional backstory to Andrew's A Hornet's Tale thread ...

When Hal Jackman offered the five Spartan Logistics Hornets as potential airframes for Counter-Terrorism (CT) / Counter-Insurgency (COIN) use, a suggested rebuild was part of the package. That relatively modest rebuild plan was the work of Field Aviation of Mississauga. However, under then-current procurement rules, Public Works & Government Service Canada insisted upon an open competition.

Kelowna Flightcraft (teamed with Marshall Aerospace) proposed an ever simpler upgrade than Field. The KF team believed that the DHC 103D was overpowered for the COIN role. As such, the thirsty,  2,250 shp Darts were to be replaced with far more fuel-efficient 1,800 shp PW118B turboprops. The wings would be rebuilt with hardpoints and a target pod was to be slung under the nose. The modernised cockpit would be fitted with a refurbished Stanley Yankee Extraction System seat. Unfortunately for KF and Marshall, DND rejected their concept, believing that all possible power would be needed when operating in hot-and-high environments.

By contrast, the rebuild offered by Bombardier Aerospace (partnered with L3 Harris) was very extensive. The powerplants were to be either 1,890 shp PW120A (for commonality with the CT-142 fleet) or 2,260 shp PW123AF (fitted with Bombardier 415 cowlings). Bombardier proposed the installation of twin wingtip fuel tanks. A Rafael Litening targeting pod would be fitted - with the E/O and FEU portions on the nose and the system electronics and power systems mounted separately under the rear fuselage.

The Bombardier COIN proposal turboprops exhaust above the wings (in Dash 8 fashion) to reduce the aircraft's thermal signature. Initially, Bombardier intended to deal with exhaust heat by replacing the horizontal tails with dihedralled Heron units which would be reclad in stainless steel. However, at the NRC's recommendation, this arrangement was replaced with an entirely new tailplane based upon the aerodynamics of the Dash 8 tail (which the NRC had extensively modelled and wind tunnel tested).

In its revised form, the rebuilt Hornet concept was submitted to DND as the Bombardier Blackfly. Unfortunately for the design team, DND rejected the Bombardier/L3 approach as being overly complex while PW&GSC found this submission to be excessively expensive.

As a result, the now-familiar CT-103 Spartan [1] emerged from Field Aviation complete with belly-mounted  targeting pod and the famous 'Keith Ferris' false canopy painted under its nose:

-- https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=11438.msg230657#msg230657

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[1] DND briefly considered introducing a 'A' for Attack designation and, behind the scenes, the Spartan was sometimes referred to as the 'CA-103' in both Field and official DND documents.
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #3410 on: June 05, 2025, 03:30:55 PM »
OMG, I love it!!!  Thank you! :-* :-* :-*
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #3411 on: June 06, 2025, 01:23:27 AM »
 :smiley:
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« Reply #3412 on: June 06, 2025, 05:51:20 AM »
OMG, I love it!!!  Thank you! :-* :-* :-*

Cheers Andrew! And thanks for letting me ride on your coat-tails   :smiley:

As a Bombardier submission, I had to come up with enough semi-pointless changes to warrant a price that would be 3-to-4 time higher  ;)

Plus, I couldn't resist the Bombardier Blackfly name ... think ginormous midge with a bite to match its size  ;D
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« Reply #3413 on: June 06, 2025, 08:50:06 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Apophenia's Offerings
« Reply #3414 on: June 09, 2025, 07:03:31 PM »
 :smiley:
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