dy031101's Mental Notes

[dy031101]

This is a result of me wanting to see another ship otherwise unable to easily be armed with area air defence weapons taking the trainable-box Tartar launcher (except that Tartar is then replaced with Standard 1MR).  Ultimately I continued with the MEKO 360......



Helicopter patrol craft



Inspired by what Indonesia did to one of their ex-Dutch frigates, this Knox class FFG is armed with C-802 and Yakhont 

[dy031101]

Before I could finish thinking the current brainstorm topic, new ones came along......

This picture is more or less based on Ace Combat 04 videogame for PS2...... The "Invincible" Aegir Fleet.  Granted, their carrier ingame is a Nimitz class, but since they seem to be an avid user of Kamov helicopters, I put together a carrier that justifies their use and also put them on the "cruiser" (the Hatakaze class DDG in real-life) and the "destroyer" (in reality the Cassard class FFG), too.  Also I gave them a more-European sensor suite.

The carrier is STOBAR type, and some Ka-25Ks have their bigger radomes housing a different radar to function as AEW assets onboard the ship due to concern that the skijump might have problem supporting heavier fixed-wing AEW aircraft.  And the ship is again given some cruiser characteristics in the form of AShM launchers.

Their standard CIWS is the triple launcher for Sea Cat Mk.2, which is essentially a Sea Cat launcher modified to launch an all-new missile that leveraged technologies from the Sea Wolf PDMS.

[dy031101]

This one carries 16 evolved Rb 08 AShMs (I want to place more emphasis on the "cruiser" part of this hybrid).  I realized that VLS would have been better as primary armaments are concentrated forward, but I also want to avoid systems including and later than Mk.41......  My only regret is to not be able to find a spot for a forth Sea Wolf Light-Weight launcher and tracking radar set.

Comments and suggestions welcomed.

[GTX_Admin]

I like that.

[ChernayaAkula]

With Rb 08 AShMs? Neat!  :)

[dy031101]

Thanks.

With Rb 08 AShMs?

An evolution thereof, so to speak.

Analogous to how the PRC made all the spin-offs out of the basic Termit design and all...... because I don't want to use Tomahawk. 

[dy031101]

I remember reading somewhere that Yak-41, due to the hot exhaust generated by both the main jet AND the lift jets, actually does not lend itself to well to shipborne operation, and that an elaborate water spray system is planned to cool down the flight deck.

Hum...... I wonder if hovering over the water alongside the carrier, then, rather than over the carrier itself would help alleviate the "exhaust heat too hot for flight deck" problem, hence the look at the Skyhook......

A Skyhook cruiser with at least 30-plane capacity is what I'd ultimately like to aim for though.  Does anyone have a suggestion?

[elmayerle]

You'd probably need multiple skyhook units for that capacity, say two  or three per side and spaced far enough apart for movement clearances.  Your upper works would have to be built around clearing the access hatches for each skyhook to reach the hanger deck.  It would make for a different looking ship.

[dy031101]

Your upper works would have to be built around clearing the access hatches for each skyhook to reach the hanger deck.

Hold on...... somehow I am not exactly clear on the "built around clearing the access hatches for each skyhook to reach the hanger deck" phrase.

Would you mind elaborating?

Just want to do it right.  :)

[elmayerle]

You will need an access hatch in the main deck for each skyhook to allow the crane to reach down and acquire the aircraft.  You likely will not be able to easily have structure intruding into the movement envelope this requires and, as a result, the upper works will have to be designed to  leave those volumes of space clear.

I hope this makes my concept more clear.

[dy031101]

You will need an access hatch in the main deck for each skyhook to allow the crane to reach down and acquire the aircraft.  You likely will not be able to easily have structure intruding into the movement envelope this requires and, as a result, the upper works will have to be designed to  leave those volumes of space clear.

I hope this makes my concept more clear.

Oh so you mean that, rather than having the hatches at the sides (see attachment), you are visualizing the hatches being on the hanger roof, correct?

[elmayerle]

Correct, and it allows the hanger deck to be fully sealed for combat, except for when the hatches are open.  The side hatches/sponsons look to require a hanger deck that's more open.  I can see arguements for both approaches and I imagine they'll both be gamed intensively in the design phase.

[dy031101]

You'd probably need multiple skyhook units for that capacity, say two or three per side and spaced far enough apart for movement clearances.

Just getting started but for the sake of the above-quoted suggestion:

*See Below*

Is it far enough?

I've based it on the Kiev class hull...... thinking that the hull depth of the Kiev class means more space for whatever the VTOL airwing would need- it's a safe assumption, right?  Or would the hull depth of, say, Kirov class be sufficient?  (If the choice of powerplant would be a factor, I'll state my intention of keeping it conventionally-powered.)

[elmayerle]

Looks good to me.

[dy031101]

How does this look?



Comments and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

[GTX_Admin]

Looking damn fine.

[arc3371]

Having just played India in a forum game I would love to see your take on the Vikramaditya (and Vikrant or Kolkata)

[dy031101]

Having just played India in a forum game I would love to see your take on the Vikramaditya (and Vikrant or Kolkata)

How different is it to be from the real-life one? 

[arc3371]

Finished on time?

[dy031101]

No I mean there is this......

[arc3371]

Havent seen that one before but how about Barak 8 SAMs and Tejas?

[dy031101]

An old one:



CVF outfitted for STOBAR à la Kusnetzov and ex-Varyag (though probably closer to the upcoming Indian Vikrant class).  The hull is also increased in height so that Evolved Rotodynes can fit through the hangar access.  Typhoon and militarized X-32 can be equipped with wingtip Sidekick radar pods as a backup to AEW Rotodynes.  The carrier has directors for Sea Wolf missiles, but Sylver A-43 VLS and Aster 15 are ultimately used.

This ship has a sci-fi backstory of some sort...... in fact, I want to what-if a carrier-borne interceptor developed from blueprint of the MiG 1.44; does anyone think that a navalized MiG 1.44 would be able to operate from the ship, especially when configured for air defence role?

[GTX_Admin]

Wow!

[dy031101]

Another old one, and story-wise the predecessor of the STOBAR CVF:



That old Rotodyne is there to serve in a diminishing COD capacity pending the introduction of Evolved Rotodyne configured to take over that role.

Modified Giuseppe Garibaldi design serving as assault carriers:

[arc3371]

Good looking ships!