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EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« on: May 04, 2012, 04:26:13 AM »
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A thread for your ideas and inspiration for that most iconic of British aircraft designs, the EE/BAC Lightning.


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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2012, 04:27:03 AM »
To start with, here is a crude rendition I did of a twin seat super Lightning with a J-58 engine:

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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2012, 05:12:14 AM »
Oh, I do like that RAAF M3 :) :-*
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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2012, 07:56:37 AM »
Three engined Lightning profile which I did ages ago:



Because like, Lightnings just need more power, right?  ;)

The idea is that the bottom engine is fed by the bottom half of the nose intake, the radome being inceased in size to block off the upper half. The top two engines are then fed by Starfighterish intakes on the upper fuselage behind the cockpit. The latter is a tandem two-seat job, of course. The wings are deltas and it has a V-tail, two Lightning fins being fitted in their standard positions on the "splayed-out" rear fuselage halves. Armament is two Red Tops (wingtips), two Blue Dolphin (underwing) and two Purple Haze AA rockets, which each consist of four Red Top motors on the back of a small nuclear warhead.

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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2012, 02:53:56 PM »
 :)
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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2012, 04:16:52 AM »
Royal Norwegian Air Force.  Based throughout the Northern half of the country.   Dozens of them. 
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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2012, 06:00:45 AM »


Lightning PR7 - Spey / Stentor powered spyplane.

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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2012, 07:29:23 AM »
I've got this idea for a Super Lightning, where it would have four engines, twin tails and side-by-side seating for the pilot and Radar Operator.  It would look like one of the four-engine pods of an Avro 730 (late model) with wings.  My plan was to use a 1/48 front end and two 1/72 rear ends plus using the 1/48 wings and tail planes.  I bought a 1/48 Lightning but some test fitting show'd that the 1/48 part of the plan was too big, I need something around 1/60 scale.  Armament would have been a quartet of Red Deans under the wings as I would have the u/c set up similar to an F-8 Crusader where they'd fold away into what is the under-belly tank.

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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2012, 02:59:37 AM »
I've often wondered if the 1/48 Airfix kit I bought for cheap  because it had some defective parts in it should be converted to an English equivalent of the Bomarc or as a ZELL-based unmanned carrier for a separate standoff missile of some kind.    Obviously the thought is in very early gestational stages.   Granted I could hit Airfix up for replacement parts but somehow that just doesn't seem right.... 
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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2012, 03:41:37 AM »
I like your thinking... :)
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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2012, 03:04:01 AM »
Random idea:  Lightning Target Drone (akin to QF-4s)
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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2012, 05:02:20 AM »
I always thought the Lightning would look good as a delta wing design.

Giving it a cranked arrow style wing would give it more internal fuel volume, perhaps enough to at least reduce the under fuselage bulge to no more than F.3 proportions.

Approach the nose as Mikoyan had with the MiG-21 and increase the intake circumference to make the aircraft more flexible to larger and better radar systems

I'd also throw an IRST "fishbowl" on top of the nose but that's just because an IRST does for a modern jet what contraprops do for propeller driven machines; take the cool factor up....WAY up!  :-*
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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2012, 05:02:52 AM »
Time-expired Lightening airframes converted to something equivalent to Bomarc?

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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2012, 05:06:57 AM »
I always thought the Lightning would look good as a delta wing design.

Giving it a cranked arrow style wing would give it more internal fuel volume, perhaps enough to at least reduce the under fuselage bulge to no more than F.3 proportions.




As a variation on this suggestion, what about a testbed with a wing similar to the Concorde.  Maybe similar in concept to the MiG-21 testbed for the Tu-144:



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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2012, 08:45:38 PM »
Just a two simple ideas: chase plane for hypersonic, rocket, or winged spaceplanes, and additional small rocket engine in tailbase and scientific equipment in overwings tanks. So, just taking F-104 serving in NASA on British ground.

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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2012, 01:52:19 AM »
I like that.  :).  Or circumvent American ego and NASA themselves get the Lightning.
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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2013, 10:07:36 AM »
Single-engined Lightning made from a Plasticart Su-7 and a Revellobox Lightning F.6:







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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2013, 10:19:56 AM »
Great idea with the Lightning-Fitter kit bash.  Looks quite natural with the single exhaust unit. 
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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2013, 10:49:13 AM »
That DOES look quite natural indeed!  :) Jolly nice work!
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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2013, 07:59:50 PM »
I like that!

Though bashing it with an Su-7 isn't going to give it any better range. ;D
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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2013, 08:53:33 PM »
I like that!

Though bashing it with an Su-7 isn't going to give it any better range. ;D

Yes but getting rid of the Lyulka AL-7 might: that thing turned as much fuel into smoke as it did into thrust...... :o
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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2013, 02:00:16 AM »
That is awesome!! Had the same Idea with a Mig-21! Plan on knocking it out as soon as I get ahold of a Lightning kit
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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2013, 02:46:27 AM »
I like that!

Though bashing it with an Su-7 isn't going to give it any better range. ;D

Yes but getting rid of the Lyulka AL-7 might: that thing turned as much fuel into smoke as it did into thrust...... :o
Perhaps replacing it with a Medway with reheat?  A 1/48 Spey exhaust nozzle would work well as a 1/72 Medway one.

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Re: EE/BAC Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2013, 08:30:06 PM »
The backstory was that both the Medway and Conway were under consideration, but it ended up with an Olympus for political reasons, after the RAF's Avro Arrows were cancelled....
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