Author Topic: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks  (Read 125107 times)

Offline Zaskar24

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #125 on: July 22, 2016, 07:46:45 AM »
Agreed with needing an autoloader to handle the new shell due to it's size. If the U.S. went with it they could probably dust off the plans for the M1 autoloader. It looks like the turret rear is the same shape as a standard M1 turret.

Would also love to get 1/35 conversions for the 140mm and  the 130mm versions. I would be happy with a metal barrel.

Would also love to see a kit of the Evolution Leopard or that beautiful looking behemoth you posted above.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #126 on: September 24, 2016, 08:14:25 AM »
Jagdleopard elevating platform for HOT Anti Tank Missiles:

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #127 on: September 27, 2016, 04:11:26 AM »
I have build it in 1993.



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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #128 on: September 27, 2016, 04:55:41 AM »
Nice work.  Do you have any in-progress build photos?
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #129 on: September 30, 2016, 04:11:32 AM »
Yes, I have some.







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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #130 on: September 30, 2016, 05:44:35 AM »
Thank you
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #131 on: October 12, 2016, 12:14:30 PM »
Random idea:

Leopard 1 retrograded to have either 7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 gun (from Panther tank) or  8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71 gun (from Tiger II tank).
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #132 on: October 12, 2016, 12:48:26 PM »
Random idea:

Leopard 1 retrograded to have either 7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 gun (from Panther tank) or  8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71 gun (from Tiger II tank).

Or how about a British 20pdr or a US 90mm with the T-shaped muzzle brake? Say the Leo project was earlier or the L7 was later and the initial version of the Leo had to have either the Centurion gun or the M-47 one.
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #133 on: October 12, 2016, 01:57:36 PM »
Funny you should say that, but I recall one of the Leopard 1 precursors having a 90mm gun (though of German origin).

There was also this prototype that had a different muzzle brake:

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #134 on: October 13, 2016, 03:13:30 AM »
Close up of proposed Leopard 1A6 turret:


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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #135 on: October 22, 2016, 04:02:03 PM »


Early Leopard 1 prototypes

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #136 on: October 23, 2016, 04:16:33 AM »
Rickshaw: Photo 2 is Hanomag's 24 tonne RU 251 prototype, aka Spähpanzer Kette. That makes this light tank more closely related to the Kanonejagdpanzer (and, ultimately, Marder ... if I understand correctly) than to the Leopard.

Part of a planned leichten Panzerfamilie, Spähpanzer Kette was meant to replace the Bundeswehr's M41s (in the recce role). Power was a 500 hp Daimler, armament a 90mm BK in a Rheinmetall-Borsig turret. Production vehicles were to have more in common with the Leopard 1 hull. But, in the end, the Bundeswehr dumped the Spähpanzer Kette in favour of a combo of Leo 1s and the 8x8 Spähpanzer Luchs.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #137 on: October 23, 2016, 06:27:16 AM »
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #138 on: October 23, 2016, 07:37:47 PM »
Different, I wonder what happened to the 140mm?  I imagine the 130mm offers improved performance to any of the 120mm while having a lower platform impact than the 140mm.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #139 on: October 25, 2016, 06:06:07 PM »
Random idea:  Gepard given the ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" treatment and given 4 35mm cannon in central mount with radar moved to rear of turret.
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #140 on: October 30, 2016, 10:45:12 AM »
Another image showing a 130mmm main gun:

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #141 on: December 21, 2016, 03:03:23 AM »
JagdLeo1:




Above is what I drew ages ago.  Those below may (or may not) be real world equivalents:


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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #142 on: December 22, 2016, 05:38:24 PM »
See in the internet: turkish Leo 2 in sandcolour against IS:





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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #143 on: December 23, 2016, 09:19:01 PM »
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #144 on: December 24, 2016, 07:16:51 PM »
Packing / unpacking and repacking for the move and I found an almost complete Leo I.......mmmm......

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #145 on: January 07, 2017, 04:31:38 AM »
I was just reading that the British Army have been offered 2nd hand Leo2s as a replacement for the Challenger 2 though the offer has been declined.  Without going into the pros/cons of this particular offer, it does raise the question of perhaps NATO launching a new 'Euro-tank'/'NATO standard tank' in the '80s.  This could easily have seen the Leo 2 coming out as the standard tank across all NATO members including the UK and USA.
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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #146 on: January 07, 2017, 12:04:17 PM »
Just dug my Hobby Boss Leo 2E out of a saturated and disintegrating removal box, might be an excuse to make a start on it once it dries out.  Important lesson learned though, when you have your stash on shelves and in cabinets for safe storage, don't trust your step daughter to pack them or the kits will be jammed into removal box's until they bowing at the sides and the kits boxes are crushed, then at the new house the box's will be left on the ground next to a leaking down pipe during tropical storms.  Did better than my tool boxes containing my old tool making stuff, they were left open in the rain to fill up with water, apparently they needed some sockets to replace a flat tyre, couldn't find what they were looking for and forget to tidy up the stuff they got out when they finished.  Nothing important, just digital verniers, micrometers, precision ground parallels and angle plates, levelling jacks, etc. much of which I made as an apprentice and kept in pristine condition for over 25 years.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #147 on: January 07, 2017, 12:10:50 PM »
Something I haven't found yet is the second of my 1/35 Leo 1s, this one I did a cut and shut on to make a Leo Light tank.  My thinking was that after adopting the Leo AS1 the Australian army decided they needed a smaller lighter light tank for reconnaissance and fire support within the Cavalry Regiments instead of the M-113 based FSV and MRV with Saladin and Scorpion Turrets respectively.  The result was a shortened Leo1 hull with a physically smaller engine (maybe a V6, V8 or even a GT) and a smaller turret with a HV 60 or 76mm auto loading gun.  Its incomplete but I am sure it is somewhere, should find it soon with the rate we are unpacking.

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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #148 on: April 10, 2017, 12:57:51 AM »
Could make for a helluva effective camo in sub-Saharan Africa!  :icon_surprised:







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Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #149 on: April 10, 2017, 08:34:05 AM »
Nice but "fussy".  Need some careful masking to make it look good in real life, let alone 1/35 scale.  Most "fussy" cam is created by some officer who never has to paint it.  Which is why most WOs and Sergeants "simplify" things, preferring nice, broad, plain colours...