Author Topic: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks  (Read 125158 times)

Online Jeffry Fontaine

  • Unaffiliated Independent Subversive...and the last person to go for a trip on a Mexicana dH Comet 4
  • Global Moderator
  • His stash is able to be seen from space...
Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« on: April 28, 2012, 12:11:33 AM »
Alexander Jost used the Perfect Scale (Kit number 35040) Leopard Upgrade kit to build his HobbyBoss 1/35th scale Leopard 2A4

Click on thumbnail or html to view the build article at Modellversium.de

Alex has built a very nice looking Leopard 2.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2012, 04:10:31 AM by GTX_Admin »
"Every day we hear about new studies 'revealing' what should have been obvious to sentient beings for generations; 'Research shows wolverines don't like to be teased" -- Jonah Goldberg

Online GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2012, 03:46:28 AM »
That's very well done!
« Last Edit: April 28, 2012, 04:10:42 AM by GTX_Admin »
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Online GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2012, 04:47:41 AM »
Some photos of the Leo2 prototype:





Note the extra 20mm cannon secondary target /anti-aircraft use.

Regards,

Greg
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Online GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2012, 04:52:25 AM »
Some real world Leo1 proposals:

MLRS:



SPH:




Matador twin 30mm SPAAG:




Leo1 with 120mm main gun (sometimes also referred to as Leo3):





All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Online GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2012, 10:56:18 AM »
How about a Leo1 based heavy IFV:

All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Online GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2012, 10:58:53 AM »
Leo3 shown above:

All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Online GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2012, 10:59:41 AM »
Leo1 based demolition tank:

All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Online GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2012, 11:00:24 AM »
Leo one based APC:

All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Online GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2012, 11:04:46 AM »
JagdLeo1:

All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline Rickshaw

  • "Of course, I could be talking out of my hat"
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2012, 12:11:42 PM »
The APC variants seem to have no rear exists.   I think a better idea was shown the the Jordanian conversion of the Centurion to a HAPC, the Temash, where they reversed the vehicle, driving it effectively backwards so that the exit was now through what was previously the front glacis.  The Leopard 1 would also be rather a light-weight HAPC, it was never heavily armoured.

Offline ChernayaAkula

  • Was left standing in front when everyone else took one step back...
  • Global Moderator
  • Putting the "pro" in procrastination since...?
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2012, 09:41:09 PM »
Diethelm Berlage built a Leopard 1A6 from the Revell/Italeri kit and a self-made conversion set. More pics HERE.

Cheers,
Moritz

"The appropriate response to reality is to go insane!"

Online GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2012, 02:36:32 AM »
Given the Leo1 was a contemporary of the French AMX-30, what about a couple of variants similar to AMX-30 variants.  Namely, what if we were to have a Roland SAM armed Gepard or a version with the turret from a GCT 155mm/AuF1?





The latter would be quite able to be modelled by stealing the turret from a Heller 1/35 AMX 30 AUFI.  I'm not sure about the Roland though...does anyone do a kit of any Roland variant?
« Last Edit: April 29, 2012, 02:39:10 AM by GTX_Admin »
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline elmayerle

  • Its about time there was an Avatar shown here...
  • Über Engineer...at least that is what he tells us.
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2012, 03:45:00 AM »
That first Leo! MLRS with the dual "six-packs" could be interesting, particularly if a second unit was converted to carry reloads.

Online GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2012, 03:55:56 AM »
Some different Gepard proposals:



All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline Feldmarschall Zod

  • Kitbasher extroinadaire
  • Holding Pattern
  • *
  • I hope that's not the sound he makes...
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2012, 06:57:14 AM »
I love that Leo demolition. ;)

I have the Tamiya leo I in the stash. I am thinking of adding an 88 to it,for a post war scenario where the Thierd Riech was not defeated. The Leo was fast for its time. Over 30 MPH. Imagine that speed with an 88. :o
Every time you eat celery,an angel vomits in a gas station bathroom. Tanks rule. I know the load is late,but the voices tell me to pull over and clean the guns.

Offline Maverick

  • Suffers from 'Fat Fingers' and accidentally locks his own thread...
  • Holding Pattern
  • *
  • The profile machine!
    • My Photobucket Thread
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2012, 08:23:52 AM »
Given the Leo 1 has a 105mm gun, an 88 would be quite a downgrade.  The Germans were experimenting with 105mm & 128mm tank weapons in late WW2, so a 105mm equipped vehicle is quite valid.

Regards,

John
Regards,

John

Offline Feldmarschall Zod

  • Kitbasher extroinadaire
  • Holding Pattern
  • *
  • I hope that's not the sound he makes...
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2012, 08:38:40 AM »
Given the Leo 1 has a 105mm gun, an 88 would be quite a downgrade.  The Germans were experimenting with 105mm & 128mm tank weapons in late WW2, so a 105mm equipped vehicle is quite valid.

Regards,

John
That is true John. :) I wonder who all makes a W.W.2 German 105mm main gun.
Every time you eat celery,an angel vomits in a gas station bathroom. Tanks rule. I know the load is late,but the voices tell me to pull over and clean the guns.

Online GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2012, 10:55:44 AM »
You would probably be best placed to derive it from the German 10.5cm Flak 38-39:



Not sure if anyone models it.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2012, 10:57:58 AM by GTX_Admin »
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline apophenia

  • Perversely enjoys removing backgrounds.
  • Patterns? What patterns?
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2012, 11:36:22 AM »
My take on Leopard recce and DFSV.
Froglord: "... amphibious doom descends ... approach the alter and swear your allegiance to the swamp."

Offline Maverick

  • Suffers from 'Fat Fingers' and accidentally locks his own thread...
  • Holding Pattern
  • *
  • The profile machine!
    • My Photobucket Thread
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2012, 11:37:08 AM »
For an actual tank gun, the 'Dicker Max' or 10.5cm K18 auf Panzer Selbstfahrlafette IVa was armed with the 105mm K18 gun.  I believe Trumpeter makes a kit of the type in 35th scale.

Regards,

John
Regards,

John

Offline apophenia

  • Perversely enjoys removing backgrounds.
  • Patterns? What patterns?
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2012, 11:39:17 AM »
Weren't the Germans also working on a 100mm low-recoil (recoilless?) gun during WWII?
Froglord: "... amphibious doom descends ... approach the alter and swear your allegiance to the swamp."

Offline dy031101

  • Yuri Fanboy and making cute stuff practical- at least that's the plan anyway
  • Prefers Guns And Tanks Over Swords And Magic
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2012, 12:14:27 PM »
Leo1 with 120mm main gun (sometimes also referred to as Leo3)......

With MEXAS armour pack for a what-if Canadian tank?
Forget about his bow and arrows- why wait until that sparrow has done his deed when I can just bury him right now 'cause I'm sick and tired of hearing why he wants to have his way with the cock robin!?

Offline Jacques Deguerre

  • Older and fatter but not wiser.
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2012, 12:50:40 PM »
You know, somewhere at some point in time, I swear I remember reading a proposal from Giat (or Nexter) that involved equipping the Leo 1 with various turrets from the AMX 30 family. I got the 155 mm SP gun and I kind of understood the DCA (for countries that didn't use the Gepard) but the reason for swapping the turret from the gun tank went over my head a bit.

I've always been a fan of the "cast turret" versions of the Leo 1 and the later A5-A6 variants of the Leo 2. Both also seem like great subjects for Whiffing.

Online GTX_Admin

  • Evil Administrator bent on taking over the Universe!
  • Administrator - Yep, I'm the one to blame for this place.
  • Whiffing Demi-God!
    • Beyond the Sprues
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2012, 01:01:19 PM »
For an actual tank gun, the 'Dicker Max' or 10.5cm K18 auf Panzer Selbstfahrlafette IVa was armed with the 105mm K18 gun.  I believe Trumpeter makes a kit of the type in 35th scale.

Regards,

John

I forgot about that one.  Yes there are kits available from at least DML and Trumpeter in 1/35.

How good was the K18 in the antitank role?
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it.

Offline Maverick

  • Suffers from 'Fat Fingers' and accidentally locks his own thread...
  • Holding Pattern
  • *
  • The profile machine!
    • My Photobucket Thread
Re: Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 Tanks
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2012, 01:04:19 PM »
According to Achtung Panzer, the gun was capable of penetrating 111mm of 30 degrees sloped armor plate at 2000 meters which isn't too shabby and apparently had success against KV & T-34 series vehicles.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/sel105.htm#pzjag

Regards,

John
Regards,

John