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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #400 on: June 30, 2015, 10:26:57 AM »
Odd thought, Blue Angels F-35Bs supported by V-22s in "Fat Albert" markings.  Not sure what scale C-130 decals would work with a 1/72 V-22, though.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #401 on: July 18, 2015, 07:05:57 AM »
FWIW, here's the explanation of what happened to that MV-22B that crashed in Hawaii: http://breakingdefense.com/2015/07/fatal-crash-prompts-marines-to-change-osprey-flight-rules/

The EIBF shown is the prototype "Proof of Concept" version I was involved with from mid-2011 to mid-2012.  I've been involved with the production version since mid-Spetember, 2013; it's more "maintainer friendly" than either the PoC or present inlet and EAPS and it does eliminate some of the problems the earlier version had.  If one was going to model it, the Hasegawa 1/72 kits are the only ones I'd recommend using as their nacelle construction would make modelling the new configuration easier.  Now, when this goes forward, I hope someone does a conversion kit (I keep thinking of an Italian one with the new inlets, painted in "sand and spinach" camouflage and operating in North Africa).  Oh, FWIW, the basic concept here is very similar to the "tropical" filter installed on Bf109s and MC.202s.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #402 on: July 19, 2015, 03:39:17 AM »
I keep thinking of an Italian one with the new inlets, painted in "sand and spinach" camouflage and operating in North Africa

Oh yeah...An Italian V-22 in that scheme would look great.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #403 on: July 19, 2015, 03:44:56 AM »
Whilst on the topic of Italian V-22s, what about a subtler one done in this scheme:

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #404 on: July 19, 2015, 05:33:59 AM »
That might come to pass as more attention gets paid to the V-22.  I understand their performance in the Nepal relief effort garnered a lot of attention from various services as has the USN's choice of a V-22 variant as the new COD aircraft.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #405 on: July 19, 2015, 06:13:02 AM »
Well, they're getting a lot of attention in Australia right now...



Though I doubt you will see any requests for purchase any time soon...
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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #406 on: July 19, 2015, 06:22:57 AM »
*wry chuckle* We can hope, though.  We feel we have a very good product and we are aggressively addressing the known shortcomings.

I do know that the USMC has found that the V-22 has allowed them to greatly disperse forward deployed ships without complicating logistic support, making it far more difficult for anyone to target them.  It should be most interesting to see how the COD V-22s alter the USN's conops once they get used to them.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #407 on: July 19, 2015, 06:40:21 AM »
That might come to pass as more attention gets paid to the V-22.  I understand their performance in the Nepal relief effort garnered a lot of attention from various services as has the USN's choice of a V-22 variant as the new COD aircraft.

Thats to great to hear  :)
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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #408 on: July 19, 2015, 06:42:53 AM »
*wry chuckle* We can hope, though.  We feel we have a very good product and we are aggressively addressing the known shortcomings.

I do know that the USMC has found that the V-22 has allowed them to greatly disperse forward deployed ships without complicating logistic support, making it far more difficult for anyone to target them.  It should be most interesting to see how the COD V-22s alter the USN's conops once they get used to them.

Betcha they end up buying more in the end.  ;)
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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #409 on: July 19, 2015, 10:26:51 AM »
Well, they're getting a lot of attention in Australia right now...



Though I doubt you will see any requests for purchase any time soon...

I'm not a v-22 basher but that looks like some nasty oil leaks in the nacelles.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #410 on: July 19, 2015, 12:13:22 PM »
I think you will find it is more dust.  Not surprising given the environment they are operating:

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #411 on: July 19, 2015, 02:21:38 PM »
Makes me laugh that there are still commentators carrying on as if the program has been an unmitigated disaster and the type is a death trap though it has been proven operationally, including in combat, since 2007.  I can understand Australia being hesitant over the cost but its range and speed alone would be of great benefit for the ADF.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #412 on: July 20, 2015, 01:04:37 AM »
I have to say, there's a Marine Corps recruiting billboard up in my city similar to this one and every time I go by it, I am struck by how "sci fi" the Osprey looks. I think it's one of the most futuristic aircraft in military service today. It looks like something out of Aliens.



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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #413 on: August 23, 2015, 06:37:06 AM »
Early armed V-22 proposal:


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« Reply #414 on: August 27, 2015, 08:20:04 AM »
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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #415 on: August 27, 2015, 09:53:10 AM »
I hope fly-by-wire or fly-by-light controls for the fan pitch control etc.; trying to do all that mechanically would be a nightmare (you wouldn't believe how stuffed the V-22's upper nacelles are).

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #416 on: August 28, 2015, 02:25:40 AM »
I hope fly-by-wire or fly-by-light controls for the fan pitch control etc.; trying to do all that mechanically would be a nightmare (you wouldn't believe how stuffed the V-22's upper nacelles are).

Maybe some 'power by wire' (electro-hydrostatic) actuators to turn the ducts as well.
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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #417 on: August 28, 2015, 08:54:56 PM »
Apparently this is from a new company started by one of the founders of AVX.  'Twill be interesting to see how it fares.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #418 on: December 04, 2015, 02:01:48 AM »
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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #419 on: December 25, 2015, 11:53:32 AM »


Reminds me of a swooping bird of prey
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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #420 on: December 25, 2015, 11:46:03 PM »
Beautiful transition shot of a CV-22B.  The positioning is just right to see all four EAPS (Engine Air Particle Separator) dump doors open.

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« Reply #421 on: December 27, 2015, 03:49:03 AM »
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« Reply #422 on: March 02, 2016, 04:33:45 AM »
Not to derail the "Oopps, I Bought Another Model" thread any further:

BLUF: I picked up the Testors 1/48 boxing of the Osprey - plenty of differences from the later Italeri kit  so I had the idea to mark is as a "civilian" aircraft that is actually owned/operated by the CIA for supporting "people that aren't there, doing things they shouldn't be doing."

Just remember, the Hellfire racks have to be positioned so that you don't kill your rotor, with the nacelles in the flight,  forward, position, when you fire.  That effectively means they'll need to be forward, close to the cockpit, as on the armed demonstration done with the ATTR.  You could put something that just drops, like drop tanks or torpedoes, aft of the rotor but not something that shoots forward.  Working with the aircraft for a few years now has given me a much better appreciation for it and the restrictions the concept imposes.  Also remember that any fuselage guns need to be aft or out the rear ramp to make sure you don't hit an engine nacelle.  If you have any questions on the V-22, feel free to message me.

I'll definitely ask for some help/ideas for these nacelles - I'm pretty sure they don't have the "elephant ear" scoops on them...

The rough idea now regarding weapons' emplacement is that the hellfires will be mounted in covered, recessed bays on the belly, so they extend down for launch but can only be used in "helicopter mode." Same for the miniguns - they'll be mounted to retract into the fuselage at the forward door, with an additional hatch put on the opposite side, and probably one on the tail ramp for good measure.

Maybe put this one "on a stick" and have it gear up, weapons out, coming into an LZ? Then I'd need some 1/48 pilots and gunners...
Yeah, the "elephant ear" scoops are very noticeable and quite missing on a lot of kits (in 1/72, I think only Hasegawa has them).  If you go with forward-firing Hellfires in under-fuselage bays, you could use them in forward flight, too.  I suspect side door/hatch miniguns could only be used in helicopter mode.  As an odd bit of armament, how about an MLRS "six-pack" or an equivalent sized box firing out the ramp?

I have 4 M134s coming from Live Resin, and they'll all go aboard this recently acquired V-22.  I also found some Air America markings, so that's the livery she'll be wearing, probably in an aluminum or silver with blue stripes/trim paint scheme.  I'm also thinking of taking a stab at making prop blur discs in place of the protors...if it's going to be on a stick, I may as well go all out, right?
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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #423 on: April 07, 2016, 07:58:59 AM »
Odd thought - 1/72 Short Skyvan with the nacelles and proprotors of a 1/144 V-22.

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« Reply #424 on: April 07, 2016, 08:19:57 AM »
Odd thought - 1/72 Short Skyvan with the nacelles and proprotors of a 1/144 V-22.

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