De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration

[JoseFern]

De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration

[GTX_Admin]

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[GTX_Admin]

No comment necessary:

[Daryl J.]

Vampire HF:  Extended wings and subtle enough to be real.   
Sea Venom:  Pointy nose, pointy cover over tail hook.  Overall gloss sea blue, USN. 
Sea Vixen:  USAF SEA nightime colors.
Sea Vixen:  UAV with a big ol bomb in the nose for use in antishipping.
Sea Vixen:  ARDU
Sea Vixen:  Kiwi colours
(Now why do I have a regular job that takes all my time!?!  )

[Maverick]

As the saying goes, "here's some I prepared earlier":






Regards,

John

[Cliffy B]

Did this one a long time ago for an extended war scenario.  The "N" notation means they are night fighter capable with the noses housing radars.



They should say "Vampire" instead of "Venom" 

[Daryl J.]

Presuming Trumpeter does not revise the Vampire kit and its myriad shape troubles, convert the vertical tail to the pointy reverse curved units, add the a/c fairing on the starboard side and sell it and Venoms to African nations instead of the MiG-15/17.

[Volkodav]

Always thought a thin wing, tandem cockpit (under a single long canopy), twin RR Spey 202, Skyflash / Sidewinder / twin ADEN armed Sea Vixen FAW 3 (or even FGA 3 with bombs rockets and Bullpup) would have been good. 
Designed specifically to operate from updated Centaurs and Victorious, or even a modernised Collosus/Majestic at a push, ideal for a FAA into the mid to late 80s and for export to replace Seahawk / Sea Venom / Banshee.....
Smaller and lighter than Phantom making 25-300000 ton light fleet carriers viable.

[Diamondback]

What if they built a double-bubble version like the XB-42 Mixmaster or the 1950s Batmobile?

Rationale: multiple crew with flight controls is a GOOD thing in a combat aircraft, but using them requires VISIBILITY. If Jake had eaten that bullet instead of Morg at the start of Flight of the Intruder, the bird probably wouldn't have gotten home and the BEST the BN could hope for was a stay at the Hanoi Hilton being gagged with puke-soaked rags and twisted around to be eyeball-to-butthole with himself, where even with the limited forward visibility a USAF Phantom or Mudhen GIB at least has SOME chance of bringing the plane home.

Besides, when flying the Unfriendly Skies a second pair of eyes that can watch for SA-2s and MiGs is ALSO a GOOD thing...

[arc3371]

Here is something old

[Daryl J.]

Vampire Two seater converted to a four seater, lengthened/strengthened and it becomes a precursor for the Grumman Prowler.   

[elmayerle]

Vampire Two seater converted to a four seater, lengthened/strengthened and it becomes a precursor for the Grumman Prowler.

Add an engine upgrade, too, to deal with the extra weight without performance loss.  Perhaps the same approach would be more rationally applied to a Sea Venom?

[Daryl J.]

Yes indeedy. 
Longer wings, heavier landing gear, longer and stronger tail booms, engine upgrade...all of it.  Without it, it'd be a non-functioning dog.      There is this rumor that Airfix are bringing out an all new tooled Vampire not all that long hence so I chose that airframe over the Sea Vixen. 

Now an Elextric Vixen of some kind?    :)  Especially a thin winged one??   

Getting back to the two seater Vampire:   Minigun pods and USAF SEA night use.   

[elmayerle]

If you want more room for equipment and personnel for IRS operations, do an operational version of that proposed Vampire-derived business jet that was around some time back.  There was a mock-up, but nothing more that I know of and there were charges of fraud and such, but it would look cool, especially fitted out for either ELINT or EW operations and in appropriate colors and markings.

Here's a picture of the mock-up:


And here's a company display model:


And a plan-view:

[finsrin]

Is giving me 1/72 bashing ideas.
1/48 Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen. Fit with either 1/72 F-14 or 1/144 B-1 swing wings.
Fit with 1/72 crew accomodations.

To build a 1/72 bomber start with 1/32 Sea Venom. Fit with appropriate size fixed or swing wings.

[elmayerle]

Given the similarities in appearance between the Vampire and the proposed FW Flitzer, perhaps a turboprop version of the Vampire?  Juggling the necessary extension shaft from the engine, the cockpit, the gearbox in the nose, and the nose gear would be a challenge, but it could make for an attractive aircraft.  Perhaps to display alongside a turboprop Seahawk?

[upnorth]

If you want more room for equipment and personnel for IRS operations, do an operational version of that proposed Vampire-derived business jet that was around some time back.  There was a mock-up, but nothing more that I know of and there were charges of fraud and such, but it would look cool, especially fitted out for either ELINT or EW operations and in appropriate colors and markings.

Here's a picture of the mock-up:


And here's a company display model:


And a plan-view:

That's something I'd not seen before.

With a fuselage pod like that, it's hard to believe they thought one engine was going to get the job done.

It's really begging for two engines, maybe a pair of Nene.

Of course, you could build it off a Sea Vixen and just keep the Avons in there.

[elmayerle]

Perhaps a single J52 instead?  If that's too much, then how about a pair of CJ610s (civil dry J85s)?

[kitnut617]

With a fuselage pod like that, it's hard to believe they thought one engine was going to get the job done.

Upnorth, how much power do you need. It looks like the airframe is based on the Vampire T11 and the Goblin engine for that put out 3500 lbs of thrust.  The first Cessna Citation (seems to be in the same class) only had 4000 lbs, but IIRC the Ghost engine (from the Venom) could drop straight into the Vampire engine bay and that put out about 5000 lbs.  I would think there's more than enough power wouldn't you ?  and there was plenty of spare T11's and engines around back then.

[Rickshaw]

Ghost would require enlarged intakes.  Some trainer Vampires had Ghosts and required additional intakes on top of the fuselage for engine cooling IIRC.  This was rectified in later versions with enlarged root intakes.

[Daryl J.]

Putting tail pods similar to the large single one on the EA-6A/B and EF-111, turn a Sea Vixen into an Electric version.   

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Found this over at modellversium.de:

de Havilland Vampire FB.6 built by Hubert Ortinger using the 1:48th scale Hobbycraft kit

click on thumbnail image or html above to view.



Hard to believe that this started out in a HobbyCraft box. 

[upnorth]

Hard to believe that this started out in a HobbyCraft box.

No kidding!

That is some serious model building skill brought to bear or a kit barely worthy of it! 

[Daryl J.]

Sea Vixen with an AWG-9 variant, two extended range AIM-54s, two regular AIM-54s, and two Sidewinder variants relevant in 1980s.    Operator?   Norway, Denmark, Canada, perhaps Spain.   For Spain, however, I'd be more inclined to use a Sea Eagle variant.

[raafif]

I thought I posted this here ....