Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: ysi_maniac on February 03, 2018, 08:38:07 PM
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New tails for Pucara
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/PucaraTail.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/PucaraTail.jpg.html)
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Whiff Canadian PT6A powered version:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Artic/CA58.jpg)
and my crude drawing of such:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/PT6Puc1.jpg)
Give it a pair of PT6A-68s and it would be quite the beast (standard IA-58 has twin Turbomeca Astazou XVIG turboprops of 729 kW (978 hp) each whereas a PT6A-68C version would have two engines of 1,200 kW (1,600 shp) each - almost a doubling of power!!!
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Jet proposal (otherwise known as "I want to be an A-10..."):
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/FMAIA-58PucaraJetPowered.jpg)
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Whiff Canadian PT6A powered version:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Artic/CA58.jpg[/url])
I think I'm in love!!
I wonder if the A Model 1/72 King Air wings would work. Is there a 72nd Pucara?
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There's the Airfix one:
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/5/6/5/123565-11185-pristine.jpg)
Or the Special Hobby one:
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/2/2/9/112229-11185-97-pristine.jpg)(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/3/4/6/112346-11104-pristine.jpg)
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^^^^^
But I think they are the same mold. Am I right?
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New tails for Pucara
([url]http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/PucaraTail.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/PucaraTail.jpg.html[/url])
I particularly like the top profile ysi_maniac - the one with the side-looking radar and A-10 twin tail fun arrangement!! :P
Any chance of a Alpha Jet like gun pod under the fuselage, say with a big bad ass Oerlikon KCA 30mm cannon or even a
Gsh-30-2 30mm cannon or 2A42 30mm cannon ;)
M.A.D
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^^^^^
But I think they are the same mold. Am I right?
I believe you are correct.
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Any chance of a Alpha Jet like gun pod under the fuselage, say with a big bad ass Oerlikon KCA 30mm cannon or even a
Gsh-30-2 30mm cannon or 2A42 30mm cannon ;)
There were actually developments with 30mm cannon:
IA-58B Pucará Bravo: Modified with deeper forward fuselage, allowing the 20 mm Hispano cannon to be replaced by two 30 mm DEFA cannons.
(http://i16.tinypic.com/4ttg0lh.jpg)
IA-58C Pucará Charlie: Single-seat version with additional 30 mm DEFA cannon supplementing existing gun armament.
(http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/0/4/0/1856040.jpg?v=v40)
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More to the jet Pucara:
(https://www.zona-militar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/1-1.jpg)
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Rather than the photoshop PT6A powered version above, he is the real world version:
(https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/ia-58h_151126_01.jpg?w=1248)
(https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/926.jpg)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/i5osjl.jpg)
(http://i59.tinypic.com/33dwjsx.jpg)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/a2dkjn.jpg)
https://youtu.be/zGC3oizdMyM (https://youtu.be/zGC3oizdMyM)
It only has 950shp PT6A-62s (same engine as PC-9s) though and not the bigger -68C.
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As I'm sure you know the British 'acquired' a Pucara following the Falklands war:
(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/352/b/0/10258082_10202852884663246_8205094687184952403_n_by_michelum-d8a9re8.jpg)
What if as part of war reparations a squadron or two were provided to the RAF as a COIN platform. Might be interesting to see it in Harrier style scheme operating in Germany. Maybe add on some additional sensors etc:
(http://hsfeatures.com/images/harriergr3pds_5.jpg)
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There's the Airfix one:
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/5/6/5/123565-11185-pristine.jpg)
Some time ago on a Falklands War anniversary, Airfix released a set which included the Pucara. There's six kits in the box and three of them were reboxed from other manufacturers, the Pucara, the Mirage and the A-4. Got the set in the stash --- somewhere :-X
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More PT6A powered version photos:
(http://i63.tinypic.com/28jur9s.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/154abd2.jpg)
(http://i68.tinypic.com/8wej4h.jpg)
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And more:
(http://i.imgur.com/79aIVHE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/I6vzJGb.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ulbUfVm.jpg)
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What would you say that air scoop is at the rear end of the nacelle Greg, not to do with the exhaust is it ?
Is this a recent modification ?
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New tails for Pucara
([url]http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/PucaraTail.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/PucaraTail.jpg.html[/url])
I particularly like the top profile ysi_maniac - the one with the side-looking radar and A-10 twin tail fun arrangement!! :P
Any chance of a Alpha Jet like gun pod under the fuselage, say with a big bad ass Oerlikon KCA 30mm cannon or even a
Gsh-30-2 30mm cannon or 2A42 30mm cannon ;)
M.A.D
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Pucara with inboard engines off P-3 would be high performance !
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And if you can be patient, Kinetic is working on a 1/48 kit.
I'm wishing I'd waited and saved up for that rather than springing for the SH kit.
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And if you can be patient, Kinetic is working on a 1/48 kit.
I'm wishing I'd waited and saved up for that rather than springing for the SH kit.
Oh shut up!! I have a couple of 1/48 resin ones...
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New tails for Pucara
([url]http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/PucaraTail.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/PucaraTail.jpg.html[/url])
I particularly like the top profile ysi_maniac - the one with the side-looking radar and A-10 twin tail fun arrangement!! :P
Any chance of a Alpha Jet like gun pod under the fuselage, say with a big bad ass Oerlikon KCA 30mm cannon or even a
Gsh-30-2 30mm cannon or 2A42 30mm cannon ;)
M.A.D
Duplicate post??
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What would you say that air scoop is at the rear end of the nacelle Greg, not to do with the exhaust is it ?
Is this a recent modification ?
I believe the extra scoop is to provide more cooling air - apparently they have had some issues.
The mods were made in 2015 and the aircraft is now designated IA-58H.
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BTW, there was also the one-of IA-66 development with TPE-331s:
(https://www.zona-militar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/ax06fmaia66pcaraat5.jpg)
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Thanks Greg, so it's an upgrade program to keep them flying ---
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It was...but it appears to have gone into hiatus in 2017....
BTW, here is a small drawing I found as well:
(https://interesestrategicoargentino.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/ia-58h-pucarc3a1-ii.png)
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Some more of the PT6 variant - I really like this one:
(http://i.imgur.com/2RsSKY4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bPhQIma.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/z4gfxqc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/R0IHsyX.jpg)
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What about an up-engined US version for use in low intensity COIN ops such as Afghanistan?
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Some more of the PT6 variant - I really like this one:
([url]http://i.imgur.com/2RsSKY4.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i.imgur.com/bPhQIma.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i.imgur.com/z4gfxqc.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i.imgur.com/R0IHsyX.jpg[/url])
If it doesn't have them, it really needs IRS exhausts such as are fitting to MC-12's et al.
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Whiff Canadian PT6A powered version:
I think I'm in love!!
I wonder if the A Model 1/72 King Air wings would work. Is there a 72nd Pucara?
Thanks guys. I did that before I knew of the RW version. Looking at the whif afresh, the nacelles appear underscale and the exhaust pipes positively puny :-[
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Cool nose art:
(http://i63.tinypic.com/1628hhi.jpg)(http://i64.tinypic.com/2j45zk8.jpg)
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Why is the aircrew on the right only wearing one boot?
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Cost cuts! ;)
Either that or he just did a "shoey" (note glass of wine in hand).
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Why is the aircrew on the right only wearing one boot?
Here is the missing boot:
(http://i66.tinypic.com/6rls9v.jpg)
It was part of a celebration:
(http://i68.tinypic.com/35i7www.jpg)(http://i68.tinypic.com/14jyoap.jpg)
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More on the jet version:
(http://i1.wp.com/zona-militar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/08_Puca-Reacción-05.jpg?resize=800%2C450)
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Rear view of the PT6 version:
(http://i.imgur.com/XBmML0E.jpg)
and what it might have looked like in service:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160804/2c85d5e9e6775f29b345ffda1fd8426d.jpg)
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Another nose art shot:
(http://i62.tinypic.com/24yob55.jpg)
These are still my favourites though:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c4/91/2c/c4912c473220173d540e8e70fec4a17a.jpg)
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With torpedo:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NScXb3b0LbQ/UJQkOHUdTlI/AAAAAAAAJHw/TtWR7MO28-0/s1600/577784_3282543376675_380058500_n.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8VzxMeFzGgw/UJQko3nXAiI/AAAAAAAAJIo/6cGDKVyWGHg/s1600/cn235.jpg)
A carrier based version with folding wings could be interesting.
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(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c4/91/2c/c4912c473220173d540e8e70fec4a17a.jpg)
Does anybody know where I can get a copy of the nose as a 1/72 decal? I have a cunning plan...
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Special Hobby actually released their Pucara with decals for that Brian
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Look here Brian: http://www.specialhobby.info/2014/03/172-fma-ia-58a-d-pucara-still-flying.html (http://www.specialhobby.info/2014/03/172-fma-ia-58a-d-pucara-still-flying.html)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tT7LzUu_I4w/UzG2JCZPItI/AAAAAAAAANI/SmcWaqZ27RU/s1600/pucara-2.jpg)
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More on the jet version:
([url]http://i1.wp.com/zona-militar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/08_Puca-Reacci[/url]ón-05.jpg?resize=800%2C450)
Astafan engines or some other small turbofan? ISTR it used Astafans but that could be a glitch in the memory banks.
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Look here Brian: [url]http://www.specialhobby.info/2014/03/172-fma-ia-58a-d-pucara-still-flying.html[/url] ([url]http://www.specialhobby.info/2014/03/172-fma-ia-58a-d-pucara-still-flying.html[/url])
([url]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tT7LzUu_I4w/UzG2JCZPItI/AAAAAAAAANI/SmcWaqZ27RU/s1600/pucara-2.jpg[/url])
That works out perfectly. As I said, I have a cunning plan...
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ISTR it used Astafans but that could be a glitch in the memory banks.
Memory is still good my friend. Turbomeca Astafan IIs were proposed. These were turbofan engine developed from the Turbomeca Astazou which in turn was the engine already used by the Pucara.
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Pure whiff:
(https://bw-1651cf0d2f737d7adeab84d339dbabd3-gallery.s3.amazonaws.com/images/image_2742804/a7e0054d24affade1525b6c193d767ed_large.jpg)
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Some whiff TPE331 powered variants:
(https://img00.deviantart.net/7504/i/2011/121/b/0/ia_58_e_super_pucara_gamma_by_roberdigiorge-d3fdj4q.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/b60f/i/2011/134/1/a/ia_58_h_pucara_2_by_roberdigiorge-d3g9qw5.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/81a8/i/2011/144/f/6/ia_58_h_pucara_2_commemorative_by_roberdigiorge-d3h50oc.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/53ae/i/2011/107/a/d/ia_58_e_super_pucara_by_roberdigiorge-d3e7h3i.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/0d8c/i/2011/107/f/3/ia_58_e_super_pucara_fw_by_roberdigiorge-d3e7hbe.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/1424/i/2011/140/c/3/ia_58_h_pucara_2_gamma_zeta_ts_by_roberdigiorge-d3gtb3d.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/4b92/i/2011/114/7/f/ia_58_e_super_pucara_beta_by_roberdigiorge-d3esjqs.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/03c5/i/2015/119/a/2/ia_58_e_super_pucara_gamma_l_v_by_roberdigiorge-d3ftlap.jpg)
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Telling your Pucara's apart:
(https://forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2017_10/2705_648684428_FMAia58pcaravarianteshb4.thumb.jpg.15ca94f479ab32bc69bb99c46ec3431e.jpg)
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Cool image:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b0/4e/31/b04e31177c922f11bb3ebbd05af50d5a.jpg)
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Some creations from Clave:
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/fantasy_5/F469_IA58A_VMF214.jpg)
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/fantasy_1/F027_IA58A_USSR.jpg)
(http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/fantasy_3/F201_IA58A_Venezuela.jpg)
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Some more torpedo shots:
(https://wwiiafterwwii.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/pucaratorp6.jpg)
(https://wwiiafterwwii.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/pucaratorp.jpg)
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...and some from me :
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4186/33742618953_7e2309cc98_b.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4185/33828941264_055c0dd3c3_b.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4169/34540990841_e11a4e3304_b.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4169/34540991861_c291ff280b_b.jpg)
jet Pucara
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4193/34596120135_7bf31cb3ca_b.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4156/34210070110_583510dc9a_b.jpg)
UAV Pucara
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4556/25202715908_ed846554e8_b.jpg)
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IA-66 with TPE-331 engines and intakes above the propeller looks to be a fairly direct replacement for the Astazou as both turboprops are direct drive rather than having the PT6A's separate power turbine. Absent discord with the UK prohibiting obtaining them, I would prefer the Dowty-Rotol prop to the McCauley prop and either to an equivalent Hartzell prop (case of experience with McCauley and Hartzell and hearing good things about Dowty-Rotol from someone with equivalent experience with them).
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What about an Armée de l'Air Pucara?
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An old one from Chris:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Canadian%20MiGs/PucaraSA.jpg)
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What about an Armée de l'Air Pucara?
Definitely would keep the Astazou engines, there. I could see it as a replacement for their combat-oriented T-28s.
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What about an Armée de l'Air Pucara?
Great idea, I tought about it too :-*
Having 2 SH in my stash, maybe one will be a french Armée de l'Air :P
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An old one from Chris:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Canadian%20MiGs/PucaraSA.jpg[/url])
Miss Coops work :(
M. A. D
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Some whiff TPE331 powered variants:
(https://img00.deviantart.net/7504/i/2011/121/b/0/ia_58_e_super_pucara_gamma_by_roberdigiorge-d3fdj4q.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/b60f/i/2011/134/1/a/ia_58_h_pucara_2_by_roberdigiorge-d3g9qw5.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/81a8/i/2011/144/f/6/ia_58_h_pucara_2_commemorative_by_roberdigiorge-d3h50oc.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/53ae/i/2011/107/a/d/ia_58_e_super_pucara_by_roberdigiorge-d3e7h3i.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/0d8c/i/2011/107/f/3/ia_58_e_super_pucara_fw_by_roberdigiorge-d3e7hbe.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/1424/i/2011/140/c/3/ia_58_h_pucara_2_gamma_zeta_ts_by_roberdigiorge-d3gtb3d.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/4b92/i/2011/114/7/f/ia_58_e_super_pucara_beta_by_roberdigiorge-d3esjqs.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/03c5/i/2015/119/a/2/ia_58_e_super_pucara_gamma_l_v_by_roberdigiorge-d3ftlap.jpg)
Some great profiles there GTX!! :P
M. A. D
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Pucara and A-10 together.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SN3s-awUTpo/SoARz9cP4PI/AAAAAAAAAI8/k6Z-dQfV-cc/s1600/PUCARA%2B1977.jpg)
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Pucara and A-10 together.
([url]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SN3s-awUTpo/SoARz9cP4PI/AAAAAAAAAI8/k6Z-dQfV-cc/s1600/PUCARA%2B1977.jpg[/url])
Give the Pucara a suitable sensor and designator fit and have it scout for the A-10.
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BTW, there was also the one-of IA-66 development with TPE-331s:
(https://www.zona-militar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/ax06fmaia66pcaraat5.jpg)
That looks really smart. I like it.
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Been thinking of building an IA-66 using bits from an OV-10 while the Astazou bits from the Pucara go to make a French OV-10 variant.
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More on the jet version:
([url]http://i1.wp.com/zona-militar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/08_Puca-Reacci[/url]ón-05.jpg?resize=800%2C450)
I mean, that pretty much seals a A-10 / Pucara crossover. A-10 with Pucara wings/engines & vice versa-ish.
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oh, the A-10 is bigger than I thought.
Pucara with Su-25 wings & engines?
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Some more IA-58C pics:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pJva8fDfS9Q/UuXRg-hfXmI/AAAAAAAAyGw/bmwrHT3aDxA/s1600/4aescuadrillacessnacita+(1).jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2YwBohZBR_U/UuXRgw9v8FI/AAAAAAAAyGs/hhStxYhfbWU/s1600/01.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9FITi9hwYkU/UuXRgycFkqI/AAAAAAAAyG0/mo1m7VBKoVo/s1600/404845_252635628150457_140531416027546_583186_468435557_n.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4lBTN32OLW4/UuXRhtglTOI/AAAAAAAAyHM/6C0AO1LlRAE/s1600/542146_315410335194725_100001772836590_738384_83484021_n.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iVlthpNatB0/UuXRh1leqqI/AAAAAAAAyHE/05wtBM58zrw/s1600/550258_10150781489875209_579400208_9664923_543381145_n.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BSM7p97os2I/UuXRicyKb3I/AAAAAAAAyHI/GgrrO-bd31U/s1600/Maran6.jpg)
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Something different:
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/w9z5lj.jpg)
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Some more of Clave's work:
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/255/6/6/f630_ia58a_nypd_dev_by_ws_clave-d7yvg1z.jpg)
(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/075/f/4/f544_ia58a_katanga_dev_by_ws_clave-d7ai1bz.jpg)
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Some more info on the TPE331 powered IA-66 derivative:
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2rxadsj.jpg)(http://i60.tinypic.com/e81lqr.jpg)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/29xu0c0.jpg)(http://i61.tinypic.com/2u8w2zo.jpg)
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Well, both AModel and RVHP make a 1/72 Beech 1900 ----- could be a good source for engines. Or 1/72 Jetstreams ---
hmm! think on this I will :icon_meditation: :icon_meditation: :icon_meditation:
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A Model and RVHP for engines if you're doing the PT6A-powered aircraft; Jetstream if you are going an IA-66 (though I expect my approach of swapping engines between a Pucara and a Bronco might be less expensive, if not quite 100% accurate.
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A couple more of Clave's:
(http://orig12.deviantart.net/a697/f/2014/357/9/8/f661_ia58a_south_vietnam_dev_by_ws_clave-d8azazy.jpg)
(http://orig08.deviantart.net/8be9/f/2015/065/d/6/f686_ia58a_georgia_dev_by_ws_clave-d8kodq8.jpg)
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Pucara Wings & Engines on a Delfin?
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With all these wonderful profiles I don't think I can build my SH kit as a Malvinas machine now. Bring on the weekend so I can get into it! SAAF or RNZAF are looking good right now...
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Good choices...
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Greg I had a brainwave, then saw your post that mirrored my thinking:
As I'm sure you know the British 'acquired' a Pucara following the Falklands war:
([url]http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/352/b/0/10258082_10202852884663246_8205094687184952403_n_by_michelum-d8a9re8.jpg[/url])
What if as part of war reparations a squadron or two were provided to the RAF as a COIN platform. Might be interesting to see it in Harrier style scheme operating in Germany. Maybe add on some additional sensors etc:
([url]http://hsfeatures.com/images/harriergr3pds_5.jpg[/url])
Airframe together, some gap-filling required but decals and weapons are out.... :smiley:
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I did read that both Egypt and Iraq looked at the Pucara but there were no deliveries.
Edit Also Iran ordered some. Egypt may have been a Wif, but I read it in a book at the air museum and don't have the reference :icon_sueno:
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I was aware of the Iraq and Iran interest but haven't heard about Egypt.
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(https://combatace.com/uploads/monthly_07_2014/post-23484-0-82635700-1405109814.jpg)