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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: gofy on February 22, 2012, 12:33:32 PM

Title: P-40 Ideas
Post by: gofy on February 22, 2012, 12:33:32 PM
-Jet P-40

-Navalized P-40

-XP-40 (no chin intake) W/ Merlin

-Turboprop

-??
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on February 23, 2012, 03:14:51 AM
Klimov.  Red Stars. 

Or did that actually happen in the real world?   
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: apophenia on February 23, 2012, 06:36:37 AM
Or did that actually happen in the real world?   


Yep, the 2-seat P-40EA was refitted with a Klimov VK-105. There's even a 1/72 resin kit:
http://www.lfmodels.com/curtiss-p40ea-double-seat-klimov-p-38.html (http://www.lfmodels.com/curtiss-p40ea-double-seat-klimov-p-38.html)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Cliffy B on February 23, 2012, 08:19:17 AM
I've always wanted to use the two seat conversion kit for a float plane akin to the a high performance Kingfisher.  Sourcing the conversion kit and some floats in the US has always been the issue though  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: The Big Gimper on February 23, 2012, 09:39:48 AM
I am planning to build a post-war F-40K ROKAF (Pepsi Logo) with 5" rockets.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: ChernayaAkula on February 23, 2012, 09:55:08 AM
Klimov.  Red Stars.  <...>

Klimov no, Red Stars yes. (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/Emoticons/diablotin.gif)

Something Greg did:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/LaGG40.jpg)

Got the kits for this, just need the time and place.  :)

Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Logan Hartke on February 23, 2012, 10:09:41 AM
I do love that one.  Going from radial to inline was the worst thing they did for that airframe.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on February 23, 2012, 02:49:36 PM
Hispano 12Y on a spatted Hawk 75 M/N/O and in French livery.   

And I just gotta say it:  Fabric wings!    8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on February 24, 2012, 11:33:46 AM
Hispano 12Y on a spatted Hawk 75 M/N/O and in French livery.   

And I just gotta say it:  Fabric wings!    8) 8) 8)
Captured version of same transferred to Finland by the Germans and re-engined with a captured Klimov VK-105; much like what the Finns did to make the Morko-Moraine.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: gofy on February 28, 2012, 10:53:56 PM
MiG 3 nose on P-40
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 29, 2012, 02:56:03 AM
MiG 3 nose on P-40


Would look a bit like the XP-37:

(http://www.rollersport.de/media/AC/XP37/XP37-2view.jpg)
(http://www.jitterbuzz.com/manreal/curtiss_xp37_10.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: madoc on March 29, 2012, 01:46:04 PM
Folks,

I always did like what Curtiss did with its P-36 airframe before it settled down on the P-40.  The look of that really long nose with the cockpit set so far back just emphasized the massiveness of the engine.  Even though in total horsepower it was less than what was routinely in the air just a few years later, the look of those birds just screamed brute power.

It was the proportions of the thing.  We're used to the cockpit of those sort of aircraft being in about a certain place.  And that anything ahead of the cockpit was all engine - correctly or incorrectly.  Thus, setting the cockpit that far back meant - by perception alone if nothing else - that the plane had to have an absolutely humungous engine up there!

Madoc
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: jcf on March 31, 2012, 03:32:08 AM
The X/YP-37 engine was no longer than than any other C-series Allison, the
exaggerated length appearance is because the turbo-supercharger intercooler
and the engine radiator are installed behind the engine. Thus the requirement
to move the cockpit aft.

(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/YP-37_01.png)

... and P&W's R-1830 powered take on a radial engined Hawk 81/P-40, evidently it regularly out flew Merlin powered P-40Fs
stationed at a nearby base:
(http://photos.smugmug.com/OLDPB/i-sgjPBxZ/0/7a02317a/O/NX28990.jpg)

Drawings of the X/YP-37 and P&W aircraft are on this page:
http://www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/AirWar/52/Draw/index.htm (http://www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/AirWar/52/Draw/index.htm)

BTW the C-series V-1710 and the AM-35A are very similar in size, with the Allison slightly longer.
V-1710C: L 250.3 cm (98.54 in.), W 74.4 cm (29.29 in.), H 106.4 cm (41.88 in.)
 AM-35A: L 240.2 cm (94.57 in.), W 86.6 cm (34.09 in.), H 108.9 cm (42.87 in.)
However, the AM-35A, is about 490 pounds heavier at 830 kg(1,829 lbs) vs. 608kg
(1,340 lbs) for the Allison.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Logan Hartke on March 31, 2012, 06:36:09 AM
... and P&W's R-1830 powered take on a radial engined Hawk 81/P-40, evidently it regularly out flew Merlin powered P-40Fs
stationed at a nearby base:
([url]http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/PW_TWIN-WASP_H81A_01-1.png[/url])


Now that is nice.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 31, 2012, 06:41:17 AM
Now a model of that would fool some people.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on March 31, 2012, 02:06:00 PM
That's real?    If yes, why the longer nose over the P-36?     
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: jcf on March 31, 2012, 02:24:29 PM
Because it's not a P-36, it's a Hawk 81A-1 airframe with the V-1710 replaced with an 1100hp  P&W R-1830-SSC7-G
with two-stage supercharger.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on March 31, 2012, 02:35:52 PM
What was going through my mind was CG issues.   

Now to put that machine in proper Soumi colors.   
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 16, 2012, 02:32:35 AM
Hmmm, what about the Polish Government ordering some P-36s and even possibly some P-40s before the war broke out.  Might make for an interesting addition...
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: The Big Gimper on April 16, 2012, 02:45:12 AM
Hmmm, what about the Polish Government ordering some P-36s and even possibly some P-40s before the war broke out.  Might make for an interesting addition...

Thanks Greg. I have some spare P-36s and P-40Bs in the stash.

Does anyone have some Polish decals they would be willing to part with/trade?
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 07, 2012, 06:40:57 PM
Random idea:  Greek P-40s in this scheme:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/GreekPZLP24.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on June 15, 2012, 01:09:43 AM
With Napier Sabre
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/p40b_napier.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: upnorth on June 15, 2012, 02:34:29 AM
You could do this:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/models/P_40_Nighthawk.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/models/P_40_Nighthawk_2.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 16, 2012, 05:33:17 AM
Oh that is nice!!!
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: finsrin on June 16, 2012, 05:46:15 AM
Oh that is nice!!!

Double ditto on that.....
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 16, 2012, 05:55:15 AM
Some P-40 mutations:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/frontp40q.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 16, 2012, 06:09:53 AM
More:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/melbsyd/p40r1.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/P40ETwintop.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on June 16, 2012, 07:22:35 AM
I can see the Russians reverse engineering the P-40 and then jetting it.  North Korean markings perhaps?
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: upnorth on June 16, 2012, 02:48:50 PM
Oh that is nice!!!

Thanks, I cobbled that together about 10 years ago just to see if it could be done. I've got the intent to do a much more refined one at some point with a few changes.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on June 17, 2012, 06:08:23 AM
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/melbsyd/p40r1.jpg[/url])

Maybe it's just me, but I think a jet version of the P-40L or P-40N would look good with that engine set up.  Most certainly it would not interfere with the main gear the way a similar installation would do with, say, the P-51.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: ChernayaAkula on June 17, 2012, 08:55:53 AM
Twin-boom P-40E is great, but needs more power!  >:D

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/P40ETritop.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Cliffy B on July 02, 2012, 04:02:37 AM
My God that twin boom version is NICE!!!!  Looks like you'd need three kits at least.  Good thing Michael's carry the Revell 1/48 P-40E and has the weekly %40 off coupon in the paper  8)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 02, 2012, 04:05:52 AM
3 kits for 3 engined versions.  2 kits for twin engined original ( back one page)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Cliffy B on July 02, 2012, 04:36:26 AM
Question about the TP-40E twin seat trainer; what kind of range did it have?  To install the second seat the fuselage fuel tank (51 gal) had to be removed.  Only other tanks are two 42 gal main wing tanks and two 30 gal reserve wing tanks.  Did the extra 51 gallons really impact the range that significantly?

Was it relocated?  Directly behind the second seat is radio equipment so I'd think that could be moved between the two cockpits and the fuel tank put in its place.  Not sure what that would do to the center of gravity though.  I'm trying to figure out the design for a two-seat float plane version.  Any ideas guys?
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 07, 2012, 02:54:57 AM
Random idea:  RR Griffon Engined P-40, possibly based on XP-40Q.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: raafif on July 07, 2012, 07:09:08 AM
operational Alaskan snow-P40
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Tophe on July 07, 2012, 12:25:08 PM
Congratulations, GTX and Chernaya, for your P-40 twins... :-*
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: upnorth on July 07, 2012, 05:48:21 PM
Random idea:  RR Griffon Engined P-40, possibly based on XP-40Q.

I had the griffon in mind as the power plant for a more finished version of the two place P-40 I posted on the previous page.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 23, 2012, 02:37:13 AM
Subtle whiff maybe...but what if the Armée de l'Air acquired some P-40s to suplement their P-36s/Hawk 75s?  Maybe a P-40A in this scheme?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Hawk_75_No_82_side.jpg/800px-Hawk_75_No_82_side.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: TerryCampion on August 23, 2012, 02:56:17 AM
Or possibly, French P-40s, still in crates, were unpacked by conquering Germans, and sold to Finland? Croatia?...Vichy France??
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 23, 2012, 01:50:40 PM
Or possibly, French P-40s, still in crates, were unpacked by conquering Germans, and sold to Finland? Croatia?...Vichy France??

Those ideas work too.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Daryl J. on August 24, 2012, 04:16:02 AM
That'd be lovely.    :-*
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 19, 2013, 07:08:21 AM
P-40 and Hurricane with RR Griffon engine

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/P40-Hurricane_griffon.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/P40-Hurricane_griffon.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Old Wombat on December 19, 2013, 12:40:59 PM
I love P-40's, although I have no idea why. They just appeal to my aesthetic sense, somehow. :-*

([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/melbsyd/p40r1.jpg[/url])


Greg, I really like the look of this but the JMN in me was going to query whether it might not be too nose-heavy for a tail-dragger & a bit too tail-heavy for a tricycle undercarriage. Then my thinking-brain switched on & I remembered that the main wheels swing forward; so this is, actually, the perfect set-up for a tail-dragger!

Well done, that man! :D

Mind you, shortening the tail a couple of sections & lengthening the nose might make for an interesting tricycle variant. ;)

:)

Guy

PS: ... or you could try "Meteor-ising" it!? :-\
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 27, 2013, 01:06:56 PM
2 proposals more on jet P-40: nose intake and lateral intake

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/p-40_jet.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/p-40_jet.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 28, 2013, 03:22:21 AM
Unlicensed soviet copy: P-40 powered by Klimov

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/p-40_klimov.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/p-40_klimov.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: jcf on December 28, 2013, 03:44:04 AM
There were P-40s re-engined with a Klimov M-105, however they did not use a Yak nose.
http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=900.0 (http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=900.0)

Re-engining and swapping noses are not the same thing.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 28, 2013, 06:26:10 AM
There were P-40s re-engined with a Klimov M-105, however they did not use a Yak nose.
[url]http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=900.0[/url] ([url]http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=900.0[/url])

Re-engining and swapping noses are not the same thing.


But they could be............especially here.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: jcf on December 28, 2013, 11:10:31 AM
There were P-40s re-engined with a Klimov M-105, however they did not use a Yak nose.
[url]http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=900.0[/url] ([url]http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=900.0[/url])

Re-engining and swapping noses are not the same thing.


But they could be............especially here.


Fair 'nough. Physical discomfort is making me crankier than usual.  :icon_fsm:
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on January 04, 2014, 02:18:25 PM
For some time P-40 and P-47 share production lines in Buffalo Curtiss factoty. Well ... something went wrong  :o 8)

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/P40_47.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/P40_47.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on January 05, 2014, 03:50:36 PM
P-40 + Spitfire nose

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/p-40_spit.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/p-40_spit.jpeg.html)

Other advanced P-40s

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/p-40_var01.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/p-40_var01.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: TerryCampion on January 06, 2014, 12:10:13 AM
Got some P-40s to build for Biggles...1/72nd P-40Bs; 1/48th P-40Bs and P-40Ms.

Going to do an RAF PR Blue one, as well as just swapping around a few schemes....nothing radical. I just want to put something pretty on the table.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 06, 2014, 02:22:36 AM
P-40 + Spitfire nose

Has a somewhat Dewoitine D.520 look.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 28, 2014, 03:01:29 AM
Random idea:  Israeli P-40.  Maybe some leftover WWII birds from the DAF or similar are pressed into service.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: KiwiZac on December 17, 2014, 09:29:39 AM
I wrote a MASSIVE backstory for a navalised P-40 series as the Curtiss-Fairey P-40H "Kittiwake". Five marks, all with Griffons of varying power and with clipped, folding wings - from essentially stock P-40Ms to a P-40Q-like FB.5 with contraprop.

I only built one or two way back then, but I'm still super keen to do a range in 1/72 and one with exposed engine in 1/48. I have a couple of drawings and photos around, I'll try find them.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on December 17, 2014, 12:38:39 PM
Random idea:  Israeli P-40.  Maybe some leftover WWII birds from the DAF or similar are pressed into service.

Very interesting and quite appropriate I could definitely see the IAF operating Desert Air Force types initially.  Another possibility is a free French like force of Jews flying with the Desert Air Force, say due to a British commitment to form a Jewish state post war, or even Britain creates Israel, unilaterally in 1940 and arms them to fight the Italians, Germans and Vichy French.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Old Wombat on January 02, 2015, 01:23:04 PM
Random idea:  Israeli P-40.  Maybe some leftover WWII birds from the DAF or similar are pressed into service.

Very interesting and quite appropriate I could definitely see the IAF operating Desert Air Force types initially.  Another possibility is a free French like force of Jews flying with the Desert Air Force, say due to a British commitment to form a Jewish state post war, or even Britain creates Israel, unilaterally in 1940 and arms them to fight the Italians, Germans and Vichy French.

Unlikely, the Foreign Office was very pro-Arab, possibly even anti-Jewish (anti-Semitic doesn't quite work, because Arabs are a Semitic people, too), in the pre- & post-wars eras. However, in the Whif World, as we know, anything is possible.

So, if the Arabs allied themselves with the anti-Jewish Nazi's, the British may have had to arm & train Palestinian Jews to assist in countering Arab guerrillas. Thereby opening up the possibility of Britain promising & delivering Palestine as a Jewish state without the British-Jewish conflicts of the post-war era (that doesn't mean there wouldn't have been continuing British-Arab & Jewish Arab conflicts).
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on January 03, 2015, 09:40:58 PM
The pro Arab sentiment in the Foreign Office has existed for decades and I really don't understand it.  Jewish terrorist were a problem during Israel's move to independence but historically their has been far more bad blood between Arabs and the British Commonwealth than with Israel.

Ironically the experience of allied forces in the middle east in WWI was that the Jewish settlers were friendly and helpful while the Arabs, who were meant to be our allies, were a real problem.  They were dangerously unreliable and brutal to the point Turkish prisoners often had to be defended by Commonwealth forces, on occasion the Turks were allowed to retain their personal weapons until they could reach secured allied positions to become POWs.  There were many cases of Arabs robbing and murdering Commonwealth troops and some brutal reprisals that saw the troops concerned punished as certain Arabs, no matter their behaviour, were Pandas.  Australia has a close, mutually respectful relationship with our former enemy, Turkey and a pretty good relationship with Israel, but Arab nations have always been hard work.  The fiction that the Arabs took Damascus and that the Arab revolt broke the back of the Ottoman Empire is a joke, as are the artificial borders through the middle east.  I understand the reasons for it but still it doesn't explain the Foreign office attitudes.

Actually I understand there was a between wars proposal to establish a semi-independent Jewish state in the north of Western Australia.  Now if this had occurred we could have had Israeli RAAF squadrons flying P-40s with the desert air force in WWII.  Such an arrangement would have made our recent resources boom very interesting with some very wealthy, powerful Australians developing some very, Foreign Office like, anti Jewish Sentiment.  I imagine a modern Jewish state would be much harder to disenfranchise and relocate than indigenous communities.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 04, 2015, 02:55:18 AM
Guys, let's keep the discussion to the P-40 please.  My suggestion was simply based on the idea that some could have still been in the region rather than any actual sale.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 04, 2015, 01:27:00 PM
Posts that have nothing to do with the P-40 removed.  I did ask nicely! C:-)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 04, 2015, 01:47:04 PM
Getting back on topic:  what about a subtle whiff of a P-40 fitted with the 40mm cannon of the Hurricane Mk IID (shown below):

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Hurricane_IID_6_Sqn_RAF_over_Western_Desert_1942.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 04, 2015, 01:49:47 PM
Alternatively,  what about a high altitude one (possibly in recon role) with extended wings and turbosupercharged V-1710 using elements from P-38?
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Kerick on January 04, 2015, 01:53:24 PM
Getting back on topic:  what about a subtle whiff of a P-40 fitted with the 40mm cannon of the Hurricane Mk IID (shown below):

([url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Hurricane_IID_6_Sqn_RAF_over_Western_Desert_1942.jpg[/url])


I would love to see a P-40 with this!
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on January 04, 2015, 02:12:09 PM
Getting back on topic:  what about a subtle whiff of a P-40 fitted with the 40mm cannon of the Hurricane Mk IID (shown below):

([url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Hurricane_IID_6_Sqn_RAF_over_Western_Desert_1942.jpg[/url])

Not that outlandish since they were trialed on Mustang I's.  Would look good on P-40D's, E's, and later.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on January 04, 2015, 02:13:13 PM
Alternatively,  what about a high altitude one (possibly in recon role) with extended wings and turbosupercharged V-1710 using elements from P-38?
Turbocharger along-side the engine as on the XP-40 or perhaps fitted under the rear fuselage as on the P-47?
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 04, 2015, 04:58:08 PM
I was thinking under the fuselage all P-47.

In effect, we would be re-inventing the XP-37 (see below), but doing so in a more refined/graceful form.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/P37.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on January 04, 2015, 10:32:58 PM
I actually prefer the look of the earlier Tomahawk to the latter Kittyhawk or Warhawk, but the P-40N runs a close second.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 07, 2015, 05:08:54 PM
How about a P-40 with underwing rockets?
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: finsrin on January 07, 2015, 05:12:33 PM
How about a P-40 with underwing rockets?

Sidewinders and a 5-blade prop !

Extended Service Life
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 07, 2015, 05:17:55 PM
I was thinking of something more like this:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/imagejpg1_zps4450077e.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 07, 2015, 10:11:06 PM
I'm going to put Tiny Tim  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Tim_%28rocket%29)rockets on my P-40Q based Antares MK. III
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on January 07, 2015, 10:14:38 PM
I was thinking of something more like this:

([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/imagejpg1_zps4450077e.jpg[/url])


I'm surprised they never did fit rockets to the P-40 considering its considerable ground attack role.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 08, 2015, 02:29:24 AM
Do a bit of researching and look what one finds:

Russian P-40 with rails for six RS-82 rockets:

(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lendlease/p-40/tapani/p-40b-c/ah965f4.jpg)
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lendlease/p-40/tapani/p-40b-c/whiterocketdrawing.jpg)

And P-40Ns with Rocket tubes:

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P%2040%20pictures/P40NROCKETS_zpsacd60e8a.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/p40nrockets_zps52704c3a.jpg)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/p40n1rockets_zps681cf249.jpg)

It might still be cool to do a subtle whiff of a RAF or RAAF P-40 with British rockets (as per below) though:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/3_in_RP_60_pdr_Loading_On_Typhoon.jpg/300px-3_in_RP_60_pdr_Loading_On_Typhoon.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Kerick on January 08, 2015, 04:42:39 AM
Rockets on a P-40 sounds great! British or US.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on January 08, 2015, 05:25:01 AM
Double-mod: Soviet M-105-powered P-40 with RS-82 rails, either in Soviet markings or seconded to, say, the AVG.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 26, 2015, 04:32:42 AM
Does anyone know if you can get a kit or conversion of the twin seat P-40...preferably in 1/48:

(http://ram-home.com/ram-old/p-40-uti.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on May 26, 2015, 07:15:21 AM
I'm pretty certain there's a mod kit in 1/72 (LF Models?) but I don't know about 1/48.

I just checked, LF Models does a TP-40M, a TP-40N, and a Soviet Klimov-powered P-40EA two-seater.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Old Wombat on May 26, 2015, 05:40:57 PM
OK, Greg is officially in a twin-seater-manic phase. :-\
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 27, 2015, 02:50:44 AM
OK, Greg is officially in a twin-seater-manic phase. :-\

You noticed...
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Old Wombat on May 27, 2015, 05:05:11 PM
OK, Greg is officially in a twin-seater-manic phase. :-\

You noticed...

Only just. ;)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 23, 2016, 03:00:47 AM
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/P40Q__.png)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 23, 2016, 05:18:36 AM
Very intriguing!  8)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: KiwiZac on February 05, 2016, 03:42:03 AM
I do love the Q, and Freightdog has the lovely 1/72 Pegasus kit for a very reasonable price (http://www.freightdogmodels.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=14_16&products_id=371&osCsid=5eda4f93114f2b7b3fa97fe40e565bf7).

I'm not sure if I've linked to it in here, but I have created a backstory for a British, navalised P-40 series (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=5012.0).
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 18, 2016, 03:10:42 AM
Random idea:  P-40 float plane using same floats as Spitfire shown below

(http://www.panzerfux.de/panzerfux_e/prodpic/1-72-Spitfire-Vb-Floatplane-Brengun-72009-BRP-72009_b_0.JPG)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 13, 2018, 04:17:40 AM
Potentially a Naval P-40 would be designated (if it had served with the USN and thus received a USN designation) the F14C-?. Now, doesn't that make you want to whiff one up even more?

(https://orig00.deviantart.net/36f4/f/2011/196/3/7/3702e443b593196f8a9763a2a3fd927c-d3rh24l.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 20, 2018, 01:48:01 AM
Some cool P-40Q photos:

Initial XP-40Q-1:

(https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/curtiss-xp-40q-1.jpg)
(https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/curtiss-xp-40q-1-front.jpg)

The more refined XP-40Q-2 after modification with a bubble canopy:

(https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/curtiss-xp-40q-2.jpg)

XP-40Q-2A with clipped wings:

(https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/curtiss-xp-40q-2a-side.jpg)
(https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/curtiss-xp-40q-2a-flight.jpg)
(https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/curtiss-xp-40q-2a-race-82.jpg)

The last of the Curtiss P-40Qs: the XP-40Q-3:

(https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/curtiss-xp-40q-3-front.jpg)
(https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/curtiss-xp-40q-3-side.jpg)
(http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Images/2-Airplanes/Allies/1-USA/1-Fighters/XP-40Q-3/p1.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: jcf on May 20, 2018, 04:43:46 AM
They're commonly misidentified/mislabeled:
1st is XP-40Q-2 (modified P-40K 42-9987)
2nd is XP-40Q-2A (modified P-40K-1 42-45722)
3rd is XP-40Q-3 (modified P-40N-25 43-24571)

Q-2 and Q-2A were initially listed as P-40Ks in Air Force records,
the Q-3 was the only one listed as XP-40Q from the start. The
XP-40Q-2/-2A/-3 designations were appended by Curtiss and the
Flight Test Engineering Branch at Wright Field

There was no XP-40Q-1.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on May 20, 2018, 06:52:52 AM
IMO P-40Q is absolutely cool. 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 27, 2018, 02:41:47 AM
Crossind late P-40 and early P-51

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/P40E_P51B_X.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/P40E_P51B_X.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Story on February 23, 2019, 11:10:55 AM
A P-40 N of Dutch Air Force forced landed in Solo 1949 during Indonesian's war of independence.
(https://i.imgur.com/JOwWt3a.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 24, 2019, 02:58:47 AM
Cool
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 17, 2020, 02:20:38 AM
Random idea:

Greek P-40 (probably an early variant such as a P-40B) in similar scheme to their P.24s or MB.151s:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/3c/b7/173cb7d18faf2ebc63adfef701461d4c.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7f/fa/77/7ffa772a89b7e1c70732897a971ec36a.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 20, 2020, 04:07:51 AM
Anyone got a heap of P-40s for a diorama?

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/curtis-p-40-warhawk-assembling-line-jpg.278286/)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Story on April 23, 2020, 01:01:59 AM
Shiny
https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/curtiss-wright-p-40-warhawk/ (https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/curtiss-wright-p-40-warhawk/)

Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 23, 2020, 02:19:19 AM
There's a diorama idea:

(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/GTwiner124/19c2622506ba507862b233c94bc677c9_zpsyvn32nlf.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 06, 2020, 03:14:48 AM
Interesting one I just came across:

(http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/HI/HI-9/31-3.jpg)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: tahsin on June 06, 2020, 05:48:06 AM
lt is especially hard to convince people, extremely hard if they are experts but USAF was in the game of designing suicide aircraft. The armour depicted here meant to keep the pilot alive until the crash, so there was no need to provide for a bail out attempt. Until a better idea came along. lf Northrop says he designed the P-79 for ramming, l don't know why historians insist "No, he didn't".

Of course this hypothetical enemy which calls for such extreme measures is "murky" by all means. But China comes to mind, where the Japanese were reported to have dropped "Manned Bombs" in 1938 and could have been a response of sorts. Manpower being "no problem" with regards to Chinese Army size.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: tahsin on June 07, 2020, 02:05:40 AM
l have come to understand that Republic refused to study a suicide version because they had designed the 47 to run down anything in the sky anyhow. And l no really say the drawing is a generic affair (say, looking like an E instead of a D) and there should be no guns either for weight saving. Similarly on hearsay, the "enemy", meaning whatever falsified information USAAC/F might have on America bomber to come was supposedly given in a paper on the employment of hunter/killer teams as it were. Two suiciders led by a regular fighter for visual search to direct the rest of the V into position and deal with any possible survivors. Be it an heavily damaged bomber or parachutes.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 22, 2020, 02:51:21 AM
One I first did over here (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=9276.msg174741#msg174741) based upon Evan's suggestion.

I give you the Hawk 75 BdB, the Spatted Terror from Thailand:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/P36BdB.jpg)

Click on image for bigger version
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on July 22, 2020, 05:33:52 AM
What can I say, but "BRAVO!!"?  I could also see that as a one-off in China where one of th Flying Tigers' P-40's messes up its main gear and the only repair pieces available are from a spatted Hawk-75/
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 23, 2020, 01:28:47 AM
Here's the more developed version (aka a P-40 with spats from a H75N as opposed to a H75N with P-40 nose) - the P-40BdB:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/P_40BdB.jpg)

Click on image for bigger version
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: jcf on July 23, 2020, 01:54:59 AM
lt is especially hard to convince people, extremely hard if they are experts but USAF was in the game of designing suicide aircraft. The armour depicted here meant to keep the pilot alive until the crash, so there was no need to provide for a bail out attempt. Until a better idea came along.


Bullshit.  C:-) :icon_zombie:

lf Northrop says he designed the P-79 for ramming, l don't know why historians insist "No, he didn't".

Gee I don't know, perhaps because Northrop never effing claimed it was designed for ramming?

The Ramfighter shit is a magazine writer's invention.
 :-\ :icon_punal:

Don't you ever get tired of the, often irrelevant to the subject at hand and bordering on non sequitur,
convoluted conspiracy theory bullshit you add to so many threads? I for one am completely tired of it.
 C:-)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: jcf on July 23, 2020, 01:57:46 AM
Here's the more developed version (aka a P-40 with spats from a H75N as opposed to a H75N with P-40 nose) - the P-40BdB:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/P_40BdB.jpg)

Click on image for bigger version

That's a long tail F, I'd think a P-40B/C fuselage would be more likely, and the pointy nose would look
cooler.
 ;) :icon_fsm:
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 23, 2020, 02:03:33 AM
Maybe.  I just went with what I could quickly bash together... ;)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 24, 2020, 01:28:31 AM
Ok, last one:  The P-40B-BdB:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/p40b_BdB.jpg)

Once again, click for bigger version.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on July 24, 2020, 04:14:36 AM
Ok, last one:  The P-40B-BdB:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/p40b_BdB.jpg)

Once again, click for bigger version.
I can just see that in Flying Tigers markings or even plain Nationalist Chinese markings.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on July 24, 2020, 09:42:53 PM
Oh, let me guess, people woke up one morning and decided to do something about things when more people in positions of responsibility DO seriously refuse doing themselves. lt so happens that there are people who have actually started their "careers" with an examination of defence of America against imaginary and completely unbelivable bombers. To cut it short, Americans did indeed study suicide aircraft as much as the current first page of Secret Projects on the relevant subforum has the British versions. Certainly not official, but uneducated masses lacking the finesse of so many people could even imagine the development of the ejection seat which has indeed saved so many lives. Let's see how much joy people will get out of a ban or worse because spamming. Or the almost sexual scale joy to have when people are ever cleared to talk with documentation. Oh hell yes, l am promising to do this. (Though the idea of posting in this thread actually came after reading some thread on SPF where the writer of the article and some moderator of this website had a discussion perfectly acceptable on all accounts by the looks of it and he seems a proper historian type of a guy?)

Also, here it would be way cooler to have a list of all BS things mentioned, because you know, why not? Not that they are unknown to people with more serious search engines than l or you might have, but...

Huh?
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Volkodav on July 26, 2020, 04:44:52 PM
Ok, last one:  The P-40B-BdB:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/p40b_BdB.jpg)

Once again, click for bigger version.

I don't know why but I can envision this with slightly longer forward angled spats.  I know the spats are positioning the wheels roughly where they would be on the retractable gear versions but my poor old brain wants to see them angled forward with the wheels ending up forward of the leading edge.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 30, 2020, 04:05:52 AM
Carrier based P-40s anyone:

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/p40_41_carrier-take-off-jpg.364157/)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Old Wombat on August 30, 2020, 09:45:41 AM
That's funny! ;D

I've a couple of 1/48 P-40's in the stash & have been thinking about a navalised one, in the same vein as the Sea Hurricane (as the Seahawk? ???), for the RAN FAA ca. 1940/41. 8) :smiley:

Puts a bit of a new twist on the P-40N. ;)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 01, 2020, 02:46:24 AM
More:

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/1598879293165-png.593394/)
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/p-40k-breton-10-dec-43-80-g-212782-jpg.593402/)
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/p-40-8-p-41-on-wasp-14-oct-40-80-g-066095-jpg.593408/)
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/p-40s_aboard_uss_ranger-jpg.593409/)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: apophenia on September 01, 2020, 08:41:47 AM
More:

Hmmm, upward-folding wings and slats like the SB2Cs in the background of photo #2? Or Grumman-type folding like the SC-1 Seahawk?
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: elmayerle on September 01, 2020, 08:56:27 AM
You need to keep clear of the MLG wells, so I could see SB2C-style making more sense.  The Grumman style runs into some problems there.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Kerick on September 01, 2020, 09:10:15 AM
Can anyone tell me what operation those carrier borne P-40s are from. I’m pretty sure the last one is operation Torch but I have no idea of the others. My curiosity is fired up!
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: apophenia on September 02, 2020, 02:07:59 AM
The P-40-CUsare 8th Pursuit Group aircraft aboard the USS Hornet in October 1940 (CV-8). This experiment was comprised of the 24 P-40s along with nine North American 0-47As of the 2d Observation Squadron (just visible, parked directly behind the Curtiss fighters).

According to George Greene in 'The Wasp's Last Sting' (Sea Classics, Vol 47), "This was a test designed to compare takeoff runs of standard Navy and Army aircraft. This experiment, the first time a US Army plane had flown from a US Navy carrier, foreshadowed the use of this ship in a ferrying role..." (An example of the latter being 30 USAAC P-40s being flown off Wasp in 1941 for delivery to Iceland.

BTW, the foreground aircraft was from the 33rd Pursuit Squadron). Its scheme is OD (with tail 'shadow-shading') over Neutral Gray. Tailfin markings (41 8P) are in yellow (it can't been seen here but this is repeated on the upper port wing as 8P 41). 33rd PS unit badges on fuselage (no roundels applied yet). The spinner and immediate forward cowling is red as are the wheel covers (the latter being outlined in red).

The top photo shows P-40K 42-46205 ready for a catapult launch from the escort carrier USS Breton (CVE-23), 10 Dec 1943).
https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/P-40/15FG/images/USAAF-42-46205-P-40K-Warhawk-15FG6NFS-White-18-CVE-23-USS-Breton-10th-Dec-1943-0B.png (https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/P-40/15FG/images/USAAF-42-46205-P-40K-Warhawk-15FG6NFS-White-18-CVE-23-USS-Breton-10th-Dec-1943-0B.png)

Below that are P-40Ks of the 45th FS, 15th FG also aboard the Breton in 1943 (including aircraft 181, 'Moonbeam McSwine').
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 02, 2020, 03:03:10 AM
See Reply #84 on previous page... ;)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 29, 2020, 03:45:55 AM
(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh173/SPINNERS1961/WHAT%2520IF%25202013/IACP-40NWARHAWK01_zps79e4cd35.jpg&key=64d69c7b0eb414037426dd34172bc684f5468d63e34edcaa646694226e9c8647)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 29, 2020, 03:49:19 AM
(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh173/SPINNERS1961/WHAT%2520IF%25202013/VICHYP-40NWARHAWK03_zpsff58132e.jpg&key=4e6fd932f4eb557ed02a541f6940e97388ce63c817d5e6e93d348fa910cb1f37)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: ed s on October 01, 2020, 10:13:24 AM
Carrier based P-40s anyone:

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/p40_41_carrier-take-off-jpg.364157/)

P-40's launch from USS Chenango 11-10-42 during Operation Torch, the invasion of NW Africa.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 18, 2021, 03:23:49 AM
P-40 with P-51 wings:

(https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/1/22292_1263016181.jpg)

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/6753961#modal-large-photo (https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/6753961#modal-large-photo)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Logan Hartke on September 18, 2021, 04:46:41 AM
In concept, that's not too far off the P-40Q, to be honest. Straight tapered laminar flow wings.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 19, 2021, 01:07:36 AM
In concept, that's not too far off the P-40Q, to be honest. Straight tapered laminar flow wings.

Not really.  Apart from some wing length changes I don't believe the P-40Q's wings were not much different from a standard P-40's:  https://oldmachinepress.com/2015/08/18/curtiss-xp-40q/
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: Logan Hartke on September 19, 2021, 03:57:11 AM
Oh, you're totally right. I was thinking about the P-63 that went to a laminar flow wing over the P-39.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: KiwiZac on October 18, 2021, 07:51:32 AM
P-40 with P-51 wings:

(https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/1/22292_1263016181.jpg)

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/6753961#modal-large-photo (https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/6753961#modal-large-photo)
Now well into restoration with P-40 wings again. The Kittystang's a most curious entry in the big book of warbird restoration. In some colour schemes it looked quite good! I've seen a video on YouTube of the engine being run pre-P-51D-wings, unfortunately I can't find it right now.
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 17, 2023, 04:04:24 AM
How about a Swedish P-40 in this sort of scheme?

(https://plane-encyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/2.-FFVS-J.22B-F3-22280_03.png)
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: apophenia on October 17, 2023, 06:33:46 AM
How about a Swedish P-40 in this sort of scheme?

... and a shiny postwar survivor just for good measure?
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 18, 2023, 02:46:28 AM
 :smiley: :smiley:
Title: Re: P-40 Ideas
Post by: KiwiZac on October 18, 2023, 03:06:56 AM
And now I have a reason to buy another of those lovely Airfix 1/72 kits. Thanks guys, just what I need on a student budget  ;D