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Re: RAAF English Electric Canberra 'SLEP Program'
« Reply #75 on: September 21, 2019, 02:56:04 AM »
Australia also had a few Canberras spare in the mid-late-1960s after they had been replaced by the F-111s.

Mid to late '60s?  Only if we change the timeline further.  The RAAF F-111s didn't arrive in Australia until 1973 (hence why we had F-4Es from 1970-73).  The Canberras might have started being offered in the early '70s at best.
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Re: RAAF English Electric Canberra 'SLEP Program'
« Reply #76 on: September 21, 2019, 08:13:19 AM »
Australia also had a few Canberras spare in the mid-late-1960s after they had been replaced by the F-111s.

Mid to late '60s?  Only if we change the timeline further.  The RAAF F-111s didn't arrive in Australia until 1973 (hence why we had F-4Es from 1970-73).  The Canberras might have started being offered in the early '70s at best.

Canberra squadrons started disbanding in the late 1960s.  No 1 Squadron ceased operating Canberras in 1968.  No.6 Squadron ceased operating Canberras in 1970.  No.2 operated the Canberra until 1982.

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Re: RAAF English Electric Canberra 'SLEP Program'
« Reply #77 on: September 22, 2019, 02:07:54 AM »
Canberra squadrons started disbanding in the late 1960s.  No 1 Squadron ceased operating Canberras in 1968.  No.6 Squadron ceased operating Canberras in 1970.  No.2 operated the Canberra until 1982.

Check your facts:

  • No1 & 6 SQNs did not relinquish their Canberras until 1970 (late 1970 at that) - yes conversion training may have commenced with crews of No.1 SQN earlier but they were still operating Canberras until 1970
  • The first RAAF Canberras were not approved for disposal until late 1971 and actual disposal was not until 1972 if not later
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Re: RAAF English Electric Canberra 'SLEP Program'
« Reply #78 on: September 22, 2019, 10:38:17 AM »
I did check my facts.  Obviously the websites I gleaned that information from was wrong, Greg.

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Re: RAAF English Electric Canberra 'SLEP Program'
« Reply #79 on: November 26, 2019, 09:14:36 PM »
We don't seem to have a Canberra ideas and inspiration topic so I hope no one objects to me using this one.

How about a fighter version of the Canberra, not just radar fitted etc. but more along the lines of the Hornet vs the Mustang, or the Cobra verses the Huey?

Canberra wings and engines with a narrow diameter fuselage, tandem cockpit, radar, cannons, etc.

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Re: RAAF English Electric Canberra 'SLEP Program'
« Reply #80 on: November 26, 2019, 11:32:46 PM »
We don't seem to have a Canberra ideas and inspiration topic so I hope no one objects to me using this one.


It would appear that your search was incomplete: Beyond The Sprues » Modelling » Ideas & Inspiration » Aero-space » English Electric and Martin B-57 Canberra
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Re: RAAF English Electric Canberra 'SLEP Program'
« Reply #81 on: November 27, 2019, 08:30:42 PM »
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Re: RAAF English Electric Canberra 'SLEP Program'
« Reply #82 on: February 07, 2021, 06:31:24 PM »
I wonder if the wing of the Canberra would support the weight of a RB04?


Well they could support AS.30s which isn't that far removed in size:








So going by these pictures, the Nord AS.30 missile never required an aircraft-mounted radar to support its targeting/guidance?

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Re: RAAF English Electric Canberra 'SLEP Program'
« Reply #83 on: February 08, 2021, 12:46:40 AM »

So going by these pictures, the Nord AS.30 missile never required an aircraft-mounted radar to support its targeting/guidance?


No it did not because the AS.30 AS-30 used a simple MCLOS guidance with the pilot aligning the flares located near the missile's rear with the target and controlling the missile in flight after launch with a small joystick, sending steering commands to the missile via a radio link. It was all visual.

The later AS.30L used laser guidance though:

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Re: RAAF English Electric Canberra 'SLEP Program'
« Reply #84 on: February 08, 2021, 01:46:54 AM »
The Airfix new mould 1/72 B.(I)8 has the AS-30's in the box ---

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Re: RAAF English Electric Canberra 'SLEP Program'
« Reply #85 on: February 15, 2021, 06:04:55 PM »

So going by these pictures, the Nord AS.30 missile never required an aircraft-mounted radar to support its targeting/guidance?


No it did not because the AS.30 AS-30 used a simple MCLOS guidance with the pilot aligning the flares located near the missile's rear with the target and controlling the missile in flight after launch with a small joystick, sending steering commands to the missile via a radio link. It was all visual.

The later AS.30L used laser guidance though:



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Re: RAAF English Electric Canberra 'SLEP Program'
« Reply #86 on: March 22, 2025, 05:47:36 PM »
We don't seem to have a Canberra ideas and inspiration topic so I hope no one objects to me using this one.

How about a fighter version of the Canberra, not just radar fitted etc. but more along the lines of the Hornet vs the Mustang, or the Cobra verses the Huey?

Canberra wings and engines with a narrow diameter fuselage, tandem cockpit, radar, cannons, etc.

Clave was kind enough to do me a GAF Canberra A(I)8 interceptor for my Alternative ADF ORBAT.

The Australian government and RAAF urgently needing a long-range interceptor to counter the threat of Indonesia's cruise missile wielding Tu-16KS Badger's, put out a Operational Requirement. Eveluating various capable design, GAF submitted a modification of the English Electric Canberra it was building under license which incorporated the same Hughes AN/APG-40 radar and fire-control systems of the CF-100, in an effort to save both time and R&D cost. The Canberra interceptor GAF submitted made for a potent interceptor which out ranged/out endured all other design submissions, as well as giving critical operability with a type already in the RAAF's inventory.
The Canberra A(I)8 was armed with:
- four Aim-7 Sparrow III's,
- 2 x 30mm ADEN cannons,
- two wingtip pods of 29 x 70-mm (2.75 in) "Mighty Mouse" fin-folding aerial rockets.

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Re: RAAF English Electric Canberra 'SLEP Program'
« Reply #87 on: March 23, 2025, 10:43:40 AM »
... a GAF Canberra A(I)8 interceptor ... to counter the threat of Indonesia's cruise missile wielding Tu-16KS Badger's...

She's very pretty, MAD. But it is always going to be tricky intercepting a target aircraft which is more than 100 mph faster than the 'interceptor'!
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Re: RAAF English Electric Canberra 'SLEP Program'
« Reply #88 on: March 23, 2025, 04:00:29 PM »
... a GAF Canberra A(I)8 interceptor ... to counter the threat of Indonesia's cruise missile wielding Tu-16KS Badger's...

She's very pretty, MAD. But it is always going to be tricky intercepting a target aircraft which is more than 100 mph faster than the 'interceptor'!

True, but I envisaged the Tu-16KS's having a maximum fuel load and the endured drag of two KS-1 cruise missiles slowing them down wouldn'tallow for their quated max speed..
I'd also think that such an attack profile of any Tu-16KS will be prodomantly low- medium hight, so as to maximise the element of suprise, popping up only to launch their KS-1's.

I'd envisage the RAAF employing the Canberra A(I)8 more in-,line with the philosophy of the USN's Fleet Air Defence (FAD), in that it would be vectored into a patrol area by CGI/AEW, utilising it's loiter time and medium range Aim-7's to intercept the said Tu-16KS's before they are within the launch envelope of their KS-1 cruise missiles.......

(Souce of pictures: https://zonaperang.com/tupolev-tu-16ks-ks-1-komet-menu-rahasia-auritni-au-untuk-membawa-kapal-induk-karel-doorman-belanda-tidur-di-dasar-lautan/)

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