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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #250 on: June 13, 2015, 11:36:43 AM »
Those Dutch Diehl tracks could use some new pads!

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #251 on: June 13, 2015, 02:17:12 PM »
What's more challenging...adding the gun on top or replicating the paint scheme?



You can get the gun (Zu-23-2) in 1/72nd: Ace make/made one. It doesn't come with the shield though, so you'd have to scratch that.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #252 on: June 13, 2015, 07:27:09 PM »
What's the missile in the top one?

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #253 on: June 13, 2015, 08:53:17 PM »
The missile launcher looks interesting, I assume they swivel down alongside the hull.

I have been thinking about what to do with my Academy M-113 and even come close to buying a Tamiya M-113A2 today (ended up buying Lego for the kids instead) as part of what I was thinking, so this update was quite timely. 

I've discussed the Australian upgrade previously so won't bother going over the end result again but the original project is worth a look for the purposes of Whiffery.  The basic vehicles were pretty shagged to the point of being unsafe with inoperable hold open catches on hatches etc. (I have the scars to prove it) and needed a birthday, the original idea being a limited upgrade and life extension to get the type through the 90s and into the 2000s, improved drivetrain, running gear, firepower and protection.  My former employer tendered an unsuccessful bid based on MOTS A2 and A3 components as well as various Israeli options including a RWS in place of the turret.

So what I am considering, besides modelling one of the versions I used to crew, is to do an alternative upgraded version for the Australian army, something less ambitious and more realistic than the real world travesty.  An A2 / A3 upgrade with an improved T50 turret or maybe a RWS. 

Then again their is always the Egyptian option, install a Bradley turret on an A2 as they did with the Egyptian Infantry Fighting Vehicle (EIFV).  An Australian version could use the Delco turret as built for the LAV II in Pooraka South Australia.



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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #254 on: June 13, 2015, 08:54:21 PM »
An EIFV, not bad really

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #255 on: June 14, 2015, 05:02:06 AM »

You can get the gun (Zu-23-2) in 1/72nd: Ace make/made one. It doesn't come with the shield though, so you'd have to scratch that.

You can get Zu-23-2s in both 1/48 and 1/35 as well.  All would need the shield built though.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #256 on: June 14, 2015, 05:06:34 AM »
What's the missile in the top one?


Its the Hisar medium-range SAM from ASELSAN.

Info on the entire setup shown is here.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #257 on: June 14, 2015, 12:49:45 PM »
Regarding the Jordanian  ones , I don't think they got the memo on how to apply digital camo.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #258 on: June 15, 2015, 07:09:38 AM »
An Australian version could use the Delco turret as built for the LAV II in Pooraka South Australia.


Like this Canadian one...

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #259 on: June 15, 2015, 07:13:55 AM »
Ditto:




I think they might flip & pivot. I see them being stored not alongside the hull, but on the hull roof, 4 missiles (2 pods of 2) flat on the roof. To launch, they would flip outwards, still parallel to the ground, and once clear of the hull, the bottom pivots toward the ground unit they are in the vertical launch position.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #260 on: June 15, 2015, 11:13:46 AM »
An Australian version could use the Delco turret as built for the LAV II in Pooraka South Australia.


Like this Canadian one...



Yes pretty much exactly, come to think of it I have seen that photo before but as I am getting old and forgetful I forgot  :-[

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #261 on: June 17, 2015, 01:33:53 AM »
if its any consolation, I do the same thing all the time! ;D

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #262 on: June 17, 2015, 07:20:49 AM »
if its any consolation, I do the same thing all the time! ;D

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #263 on: August 09, 2015, 08:58:53 AM »

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #264 on: August 09, 2015, 06:08:34 PM »
Interesting: more like a ground-launched Maverick than a pure ATGW.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #265 on: August 10, 2015, 02:09:29 AM »
Hmmm...makes me wonder about a US development of the M113 as a dedicated long range anti-tank vehicle.  Maybe fit a Extended Ranger development of the TOW but losing the Wire Guidance?
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #266 on: August 10, 2015, 03:40:31 AM »
They've played with vehicle-launched Hellfires for years and the Swedish Army uses them for coast protection, so why not put a booster on one of those and use it from a vehicle to get the 20km range? It could be semi-active laser-guided from a drone or MMW radar guided.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #267 on: August 11, 2015, 02:13:52 AM »
Maybe use a ground launched variant of either the AGM-169 Joint Common Missile (now cancelled) or the MBDA Brimstone for a modern day version.  Both have far longer range in the 20+ km range.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #268 on: August 11, 2015, 09:16:01 PM »
How about a pair of APKWS multi-round launchers either side of a small turret including sighting system?

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #269 on: August 21, 2015, 10:05:15 PM »
Javelin Troop, Royal Canadian Artillery - Air Defence Artillery School, Chatham New Brunswick 1992.

The M-113 are fairly standard ISC versions. The Javelin could either be shoulder launched, or fired from the Lightweight Multiple Launcher (LML), which itself was a man-portable launch stand. In this case, it's been placed inside the M-113 to fire out of the cargo hatch. To my knowledge, it was never live-fired in this vehicle-mounted configuration.

Note the amount of support vehicles attached to the troop. The M-113 without the missiles would be the recce callsign.


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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #270 on: August 22, 2015, 05:09:06 AM »
Thanks, great shot!

... To my knowledge, it was never live-fired in this vehicle-mounted configuration...

Sorry this is so small ... can't find the original  :P
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #271 on: August 22, 2015, 10:51:15 PM »
That's a M113 for sure, but that launcher does not quite look like a Javelin S-15. Would love to see the original!

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #272 on: August 23, 2015, 04:03:41 AM »
Slightly larger image:



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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #273 on: August 23, 2015, 05:36:38 AM »
Egyptian Air Defense variant with twin 23mm cannon + SAMs:

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #274 on: August 23, 2015, 05:37:15 AM »
It's Granddaddy was a M113:

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