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HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« on: September 02, 2014, 08:33:21 PM »
This has been a long-pending project here at LemonJello Industries.  With the cancellation of the VH-101, The V-22 is selected for the executive transport role in HMX-1.

Laying out the additional windows:


Cutting plastic:


Start to the executive interior:


Front office/flight crew seats (modified on the left, stock on the right):


Added some detail to the forward bulkhead:


Additionally, there will be an additional two bulkheads put in to separate the VIP section from the tail ramp and forward door, along with seating and other amenities fitting a VIP transport.  Externally, there will be some work done to the nacelles for improved IR suppression and added chaff/flare buckets and antennae. 

I hope to acquire a set of Hawkeye Models' VH-60 decals to complete my "white top" V-22.

More photos to come as this project progresses.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2014, 02:00:18 AM »
Looking good to me, I can neither confirm nor deny the accuracy of your modifications.  I would suggest replacing the rear ramp with steps so that a proper entrance can be made.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2014, 02:40:14 AM »
I didn't even think about using the ramp as the primary entrance/exit - I figured that's where the luggage/heavy weapons went...I'm going to change the forward door so that the bottom half has the steps and the top half swings upward.  We'll see how it goes.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2014, 03:18:50 AM »
Ramp is generally the preferred entrance/exit as the door is right close to the plane of the prop-rotors and is farther away from the exhaust plumes bouncing off the ground.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2014, 04:23:53 AM »
On my EH-101 AEW helicopter, I put the rear door in like this -- the ramp would be sealed up --
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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2014, 05:00:26 AM »
I'd go with two forward doors. Leave one open to show the pintle-mounted M-134 inside. :)

Of course, the VIP's use the rear ramp.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2014, 07:36:27 PM »
Ramp is generally the preferred entrance/exit as the door is right close to the plane of the prop-rotors and is farther away from the exhaust plumes bouncing off the ground.




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This is really cool Lemon!! Its a great subject and I love these modifications, the windows rock
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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2014, 01:50:21 AM »
Top notch.  8)  You've given me inspiration to dig mine out and work on it.
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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2014, 03:01:36 AM »
Top notch.  8)  You've given me inspiration to dig mine out and work on it.

An Osprey/Tilt rotor GB would be fun!!  :) :)
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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2014, 06:48:03 AM »
An Osprey/Tilt rotor GB would be fun!!  :) :)
That could be fun, I've got ideas, and materials, for both a SV-22 and a MV-22 seconded to the USFS.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2014, 07:30:48 AM »
An Osprey/Tilt rotor GB would be fun!!  :) :)

That it would.  I've got another 3 in the stash earmarked to become, in no particular order: Canadian SAR (Belcher  Bits decals), USCG SAR (Fireball Models decals), and USMC battle taxi (Flying Leatherneck decals).

I'd probably have more, but the last couple of Hobby Lobby's I've visited (40% off coupon in hand) have changed their stock and didn't have any on the shelves.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2014, 03:47:19 AM »
An Osprey/Tilt rotor GB would be fun!!  :) :)

That it would.  I've got another 3 in the stash earmarked to become, in no particular order: Canadian SAR (Belcher  Bits decals), USCG SAR (Fireball Models decals), and USMC battle taxi (Flying Leatherneck decals).

I'd probably have more, but the last couple of Hobby Lobby's I've visited (40% off coupon in hand) have changed their stock and didn't have any on the shelves.

Y'all just gave me an idea to finish mine as a Coast Guard bird. I'll be seriously exploring that option.
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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2014, 10:55:36 PM »
Update:

Getting into the interior work right now, since that's where most of the mods will be.  Here are the masters for the seating:





Now to try my hand at casting copies. 

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2014, 09:38:10 PM »
OK. First attempt at making a mold ran into some problems...all a part of learning, right?  I tried a one part mold - the mold probably would have been great, except that I couldn't get the masters out of it without destroying the mold.  So into the bin it went and I started a two part mold.  Updates to come as that progresses.

In the meantime, I've gotten some work done on the front office:











Comments, critiques and suggestions are always welcome.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2014, 11:19:44 PM »
Looking great so far.  Really looking forward to seeing the rest of the interior.

FWIW, I've written Hasegawa encouraging them to do a "HMX-1" MV-22B since that would only be a decal change to their existing kit.  That could also be a great start toward doing a "white top" VV-22B.
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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2014, 09:41:48 AM »
2 part mold has been successfully made - and the trial and error of casting copies begins:



First cast is in the upper left of the photo, last (#6) is at the bottom right.  I think the last 2 are definitely usable, the first 2 are worthless, and the 3rd and 4th attempts could be used in a pinch, it'll depend on how many I need.  I had to keep making the pour stub bigger to get a decent cast and eliminate the major short-shots/air bubbles on the legs.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2014, 12:00:29 PM »
I don't know if you're doing this, but pour some talc in your mold, then shake the talc out. The mold should end up with a fine layer of talc on the casting surfaces. Pour the resin in. The talc will suck the resin into cavities and will reduce surface bubbles and short shots.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2014, 01:20:18 AM »
Frank3k - I did add some talc to the mold prior to casting,  and it did help in the later attempts.  I think the main issue was just getting the pour gate/stub right to allow for air to get out of some spots. 

I'll probably try to cast a few more, just for practice.

Edited to add:

Cast a couple more, and they came out the best so far.  So, I've cut off pour stubs, trimmed some flash and begun the sanding process.  Here are some possible seating arrangements. 







My preference is the first arrangement, but I'd be interested in hearing from others of this august assemblage.
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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2014, 03:11:26 AM »
I rather like the second one, with the two seats against the aft bulkhead for the Secret Service agents with them; that would be a most appropriate location for them to be stationed.  You might want to consider, though, a mix of the second and third ones with the single seats aft, the two sets of double seats, and then the other two single seats.

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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2014, 03:35:13 AM »
I rather like the second one, with the two seats against the aft bulkhead for the Secret Service agents with them; that would be a most appropriate location for them to be stationed.  You might want to consider, though, a mix of the second and third ones with the single seats aft, the two sets of double seats, and then the other two single seats.


Evan, that was my thought re: the Secret Service sitting at the back of the cabin with clear lines of sight down the length of the cabin.

And regarding your suggestion, something like this?




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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2014, 04:05:21 AM »
They all look really good to me, so I'm not of much help. Very nice job with that casting.  :)
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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2014, 07:04:37 AM »
I rather like the second one, with the two seats against the aft bulkhead for the Secret Service agents with them; that would be a most appropriate location for them to be stationed.  You might want to consider, though, a mix of the second and third ones with the single seats aft, the two sets of double seats, and then the other two single seats.


Evan, that was my thought re: the Secret Service sitting at the back of the cabin with clear lines of sight down the length of the cabin.

And regarding your suggestion, something like this?



That looks very much like my suggestion,  You might want to experiment with the orientation of the front seats (looking inboard, forward, or aft) but that's about the only suggestion I can make.

Does this passenger compartment take up the full fuselage interior length or is there room for an "economy class" section for members of the press traveling with them?  Seats for that could probably be cloned from a 1/48 business jet kit.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2014, 09:31:53 PM »
There's an area behind the aft bulkhead that works out to about 5 scale feet of cargo space - it's not getting much detail since the ramp will be up and there are no windows that far aft.  As it stands now, it looks like this will be 12 pax plus the Marine crew chief/comms guy that will have a station between the cockpit and the forward bulkhead that I've added - it'll be across from the front hatch. I guess the press have to ride in one of the green tops or the -2?
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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2014, 09:46:25 PM »
Put a few "favored" members of the press in the "economy" section behind the aft bulkhead, the rest can ride in a green top.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2014, 05:06:52 AM »
Update time!  So, work is progressing, and it's getting close to painting the interior and then closing it up.

Comms/Crew Chief's station:



Various  views of the interior:







Windows have been installed, and I'm thinking of tinting them - should I go with a yellow/gold or a green?

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2014, 10:37:11 AM »
Looking good.  I'd say to go for a green tint as that would work more with the rest of the paint scheme.  Alternatively, just go with a dark grey/black tint as is used on various limos et al.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2014, 12:24:08 PM »
Like your forward looking build concept  :)
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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2014, 11:33:09 PM »
Ok, I need some interior color advice - what would work best for a VIP interior?  I'm leaning to using Tamiya Dark Yellow for the seating to impart the idea of fine Corinthian leather - should I just carry that onto the walls and floor?  I'm thinking some dark brown accents for wood trim in the passenger compartment would be expected.  Any other ideas/suggestions would be appreciated.


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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2014, 12:01:24 AM »
Shag carpeting would work on the walls. :)

Seriously, I'd stay with fairly bland, neutral colours for the interior. Beige, grey... etc. Anything bolder leads to colour balance issues on photo-ops. Never get between a politician and a photo op.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2014, 12:27:56 AM »


Found when I googled "VIP Gulfstream interior"

I also Googled " Presidential helicopter interior"

and "VIP helicopter interior" for ideas.

 I got a bunch of good stuff from those, way too many to post though  :)

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2014, 08:09:41 AM »
One would do! ;)
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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2015, 08:57:15 AM »
Thread necromancy!

It's been a while since any progress on this one, but I did manage to finally paint the passenger interior and seating.  Here's the proof:





The upholstery will be getting a flat coat to make it look less like vinyl and more like cloth.

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« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2015, 10:46:57 AM »
Nice!!  Maybe a satin coat to make it look like leather?

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« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2015, 10:26:04 PM »
I am rather late to the party on this one, but I thought this link might be of interest.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/30-fascinating-photos-of-hmx-1s-ospreys-working-for-the-1711110955
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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2015, 09:25:47 AM »
Major components are together, just filling/sanding seams prior to paint.


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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2015, 12:07:32 AM »
Very nice, coming along just super!

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« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2015, 06:59:22 AM »
Looks good

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« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2015, 10:42:10 AM »
The Prez will be suitably impressed! :)
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« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2015, 05:06:34 AM »
I like it! The new windows are very cool and I love your work casting replacement seats.
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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2015, 04:22:14 AM »
News from the paint barn: I wanted to try a different primer and was going to use Vallejo Natural Steel and then I saw that I had Hawkeye's Talon Aluminum, so I gave it a go.

Here's the photo update:


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« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2015, 06:11:43 AM »
Paint Barn Phase One complete:






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« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2015, 02:01:58 AM »
Paint Barn Phase Two:





Next step: Clear coat and prep for decals!

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« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2015, 02:39:43 AM »
Damn, that's looking gorgeous.  As someone who works on the real thing, I can't wait to see the finished product; I intend, with your permission, to share photos of the finished product with our sales people.

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« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2015, 04:32:56 AM »
Damn, that's looking gorgeous.  As someone who works on the real thing, I can't wait to see the finished product; I intend, with your permission, to share photos of the finished product with our sales people.

If you don't let them look too close...there are some spots where the white lifted and I'm not entirely happy with how I "repaired" them.  But I need to move forward, so we're going to call it good and proceed.  Honestly, I'd be interested in hearing what their reactions are.

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« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2015, 06:24:19 PM »
Made interior yourself  :icon_surprised: to go with fine looking exterior 8)
Dang this is nice.  Keep building and posting.

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« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2015, 07:32:20 AM »
man that is a great idea and well executed so far. Love it  :-*
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« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2015, 09:33:47 AM »
Getting closer...




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« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2016, 11:06:44 AM »
Oh, yeah!!  That's looking very nice indeed.

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« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2016, 07:14:45 AM »
Build Necromancy! 

Calling this one done and putting it in the display case.









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« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2016, 07:24:10 AM »
Beautiful!  With your permission, I will show these around at work.  I'm not so sure the spinners would be a bright glossy color as I'm thinking that could cause the glare in the pilots' eyes.

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« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2016, 08:24:15 AM »
Beautiful!  With your permission, I will show these around at work.

Sure! Let me know what they think.

I'm not so sure the spinners would be a bright glossy color as I'm thinking that could cause the glare in the pilots' eyes.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2016, 09:13:52 AM »
How long until Hassy/Italeri release this kit with Marine 1 markings? I'm pretty sure I've seen a couple boxing of Air Force 1 kits, wonder why Marine 1 is neglected?

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2016, 09:42:33 AM »
Hase has released it in "Black Top" HMX-1 markings.  The "White tops" are the aircraft that actually carry the president, though I'm given to understand he has flown on one of their present aircraft when he needed immediate and quick transportation.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2016, 05:05:21 PM »
That Osprey would be the point of pride in any display case!

Well done, Mr Jello! You replicated that famous Marine One scheme to a T!

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« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2016, 05:15:22 PM »
Very Nice

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« Reply #56 on: May 25, 2016, 02:37:42 AM »
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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #57 on: May 25, 2016, 11:58:33 PM »
This is amazing!! congrats on a long project well done!

I like the white spinners, and It would have never occurred to me to put white there (same with the tailfins) It "makes" it as far as I am concerned. If you are going to do a white top, make it white!
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« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2016, 09:50:23 AM »
Well, I can tell you that Bell's program manager loved it.  Some of my coworkers who have been involved with the V-22 since its inception opinion that the spinners should be black, based on their experience.  More feedback as I get it.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #59 on: May 26, 2016, 12:44:04 PM »
Bravo, LJ, it's stunning! Congratulations.

I love that folks involved with the real deal are giving feedback!
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Offline LemonJello

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #60 on: May 26, 2016, 07:31:17 PM »
Thank you everyone for the kind words.  Fortunately, my poor photography skills aid in hiding a multitude of errors on this project.  But I'm glad it's finally ready to move off the bench and into the display.

It's pretty darn cool as well that the people at Bell are getting a kick out of it. 

Re:spinner color - I honestly didn't even think about glare when I finalized my scheme.  The white was a definite pain to get to go down nicely, and there are a couple areas that show it.  Black or a flat coat over the same green as the body on the spinners may have been a better way to go.

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2016, 08:33:50 PM »
I have to echo what everyone else has said LJ, very, very nicely done   :) :) :)

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #62 on: August 07, 2016, 08:13:58 AM »
Just found this decal sheet on Draw Decals web page

http://www.shopdrawdecal.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=72%2DV22%2D1

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Re: HMX-1 "Marine One" VV-22
« Reply #63 on: August 07, 2016, 08:25:00 AM »
Have to get one of those sets for the Hasegawa kit.   It will be interesting to see if HMX-1 gets some of the V-22 upgrades that are under serious discussion; they would make for some distinct changes in appearance.