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Offline tc2324

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Amerika Bomber WIP
« on: March 29, 2013, 06:46:10 PM »
And what extended WWII alternate history GB could be without an.....

AMERIKA BOMBER entry.....



Loosely based on the Heinkel He 277 design you will note the Me 262 kit sitting on top. My plan is for a bomber using the old SAC saying, (although slightly changed in this case), `4 turning, 2 burning`.

The last couple of builds have not had my usual WIP, but I felt in this case input from you guys on how to proceed or come up with ideas that I have not would be benificial.

So over to you.
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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2013, 06:51:50 PM »
With you on concept all the way.  Have same kit and been considering same/similar kinda build.   :)

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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2013, 01:51:55 AM »
And so the interesting, albeit slightly tedious task, of measuring up starts.....



With you on concept all the way.  Have same kit and been considering same/similar kinda build.   :)


Lets hope my effort inspires you or warns you of any hidden `dangers`.....  ;)
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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2013, 02:52:50 AM »
Fully stocked on popcorn and beer, you may proceed sir   8)
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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2013, 05:11:02 AM »
Great idea and I like where this is going :)
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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2013, 06:09:57 AM »
Excellent!

you know, I am surprised we don't have more B-36esque builds-- the layout, idea, and kind of bastardized style makes it seem like a whif as it is, and its a concept easily understood by everyone...
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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2013, 11:47:53 AM »
An ÜberGriefs with a parasite Me-262? This is gonna be good  :)
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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2013, 10:42:12 AM »
Will this be a He-177 Zwilling? :)

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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2013, 05:35:05 AM »
I'd say it's more likely that he's going for a He274 or He277 development; but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2013, 11:10:15 PM »
So after the slight diversion of the retro British jet design, it`s back to the Amerika bomber.

Surgery has already begun and as you can see from the first picture we now have a 4, (or is that 8?), engined bomber. (With SWMBO on a retail theropy trip I have used the hob so the plastic shows up better).

Work on extending the fuselage will begin shortly, but for the purpose of my next question I have just taped it together.

Now again in the first picture, you will see the two jet engines on the wing tips as I originally had planned. However this looks a bit too odd to me now so in the second picture I have placed one under the wing, futher inside so that it clears the aileron`s. The third picture is a little more radical and shows them attached to the fuselage, (tba), which was a feature of the Junkers Ju 287.

As always, opinions welcome.





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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2013, 03:01:29 AM »
Looking good.  Really nice work on the wing.
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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2013, 05:13:21 AM »
Looking good.  Really nice work on the wing.

I agree, nice cuts!
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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2013, 06:13:13 AM »
I like the design with the jets under the wing as opposed to wing tips or sides (never could see this) ...   Great job your doing here !!!   
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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2013, 07:12:15 AM »
Big bombers are a favorite.  Glad to see these pictures.  The four engines look like they always been there  :)
"Great job your doing here !!!" goes for me too.
Under wing jets - yes.  Though,,, being its WW2 German, B-51 style jet mountings front or rear might look more like Luft 46.  As said: "might".

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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2013, 11:56:24 AM »
Beautiful!!!  I can see the podded jets either under the wings or along the fuselage sides; either way would fit with other Luft '46 designs.  I'm inclined to pitch for under the wing as ISTR that only Junkers did the along the fuselage approach (Ju-287 et al.).
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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2013, 06:45:50 PM »
Cheers for the views chaps. Have to say it`s quite interesting to view the replies. It seems a majority of members on your standard modelling sites have gone for the under mid wing look which is the most convensional and realistic look. However when you go to the dedicated whif forums, a majority seems to go for the `bolted to the fuselage somewhere` look as this is more in keeping with a Luft 46 look. Ultimately, I`m still divided.

This morning I managed to extend the fuselage but changed my mind about extending the aft section. Other than finding it difficult to find a `seamless` join point, I want to give this aircraft a tricycle u/c and don`t really want to effect the CoG too much by adding a section to the rear.

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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2013, 10:57:05 AM »
Regarding the jet engine locations, I'll have to revise my earlier comment, Heinkel designers did both, under the wing and attached to the fuselage.  Perhaps you should install them like the aft engines here: http://www.luft46.com/heinkel/hep1068c.html.  If nothing else, that'd keep the intakes in clean airflow and drastically reduce the chances of FOD.  I quite like your extension.  If you put the jet engines on the fuselage in roughly the same relationship to the wing as in the design I referenced above, you should be able to keep the CG where it needs to be in relation to the wing quarter-chord line.

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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2013, 11:32:38 AM »
Love these stretches  :)

Evan: Just to clarify, you're only talking about the rearmost of the engines on the P.1068.01, right?
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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2013, 11:42:38 AM »
Right, the ones on the upper fuselage.

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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2013, 03:03:53 PM »
Thanks for the input Elmayerle, and the link as well.....  :)

I did consider that position for the jets but ruled it out because the wash from the props may effect the air intake? Also they may effect the aim of the remote turrets if raise too high to clear the prop wash??

What do you think?
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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2013, 03:15:44 PM »
Mount them at 10:30 & 1:30 position so jet exhaust is above tail wing goes by sides of rudder.
With jets raised and back aways on fuselage propwash is not an issue on styrene aircraft.  ;)

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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2013, 11:37:40 AM »
Mount them at 10:30 & 1:30 position so jet exhaust is above tail wing goes by sides of rudder.
With jets raised and back aways on fuselage propwash is not an issue on styrene aircraft.  ;)
Those angles will work and mounted close to the wing trailing edge, as on that design a referenced, you should be far enough forward that the prop wash wouldn't have spread enough to cause inlet distortion, unless you have long pylons.

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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2013, 09:26:01 PM »
I'd mount them at the rear of the fuselage and make this baby a T-tail, like a Vickers VC10.

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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2013, 11:34:04 PM »
Well, after a good long think and taking in everyone's view`s, I think I will have to go with option 2 and the under mid-wing pods.

I really really wanted to fit them to the fuselage somewhere, but the options were very limited. Placed anywhere forward of the wing leading edge the jet exhaust gasses would probably get in the way of the props and vise versa if you placed them anywhere behind the leading edge.

Most of the designs I`ve looked at involving jet engines attached to the fuselage were `pure` jet designs anyway which probably tells us it`s own story.

Started work on the cockpit so hope to post some wip pics shortly.

Thanks for all the input chaps.
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Re: Amerika Bomber WIP
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2013, 11:18:13 PM »
Nearly finished on a very `cluttered` cockpit section. (I should of gone to Specsavers.......)  :D

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