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Offline tc2324

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Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« on: April 14, 2012, 02:06:46 AM »
After getting into the whole rotordyne thing with this build a couple of months ago......



........... I was playing with the idea of blending the kits below for my next whif project and updating the idea.  :)



Well, I had a rethink and I felt that it would have had an `old world` look about it and I wanted to look into the future, well...., say 20 years on anyway.  :))

So out has gone the Chinook..........,

..... and in came this......!   >:D

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............... so it will be a 1/72 Herc fuselage with the 1/48 scale winglets and rotors. This should even it all out a bit when it comes to power/weight ratio.

Coming soon.    ;)
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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2012, 02:20:36 AM »
Looking forward to seeing what you can assemble from the various parts.  The undertaking will be fraught with obstacles but with enough putty, sanding, and cursing, I am positive the outcome will be most enjoyable. 

I am surprised you did not stick with a pair of 1/72nd scale Ospreys for this project and have instead opted for one Osprey in 1/48th scale.  Still looking forward to seeing this project completed as I am curious on how you will tackle this problem. 
« Last Edit: April 14, 2012, 02:22:37 AM by Jeffry Fontaine »
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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2012, 02:21:41 AM »
Interesting yes... Go on :)

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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2012, 04:21:32 AM »
Watching this intently.

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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2012, 08:40:21 AM »
I, too, will be following this with great interest.

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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 09:37:59 AM »
Seems like a fine choice for a kit-bash.  Like it much.      :)
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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2012, 09:00:16 PM »
I've got to applaud your imagination in coming up with this combo! I can't wait to see how it turns out.

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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2012, 10:39:18 PM »
Thanks for all the comments of support chaps. ;)

Like all inventors/visionists/madmen, I found a few moments today to fit a few bits together with tape to see if this idea really was viable. I think it is, and depending on the reach of the rotors, I may well leave the tail as it is so it keeps it`s heritage looks.

Of course, as you can see, some major surgery is going to be needed to fit that wing. :o







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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2012, 03:40:41 AM »
Oh, you're giving me ideas already for something similar!
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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2012, 05:22:13 AM »
Can anyone spot the slight problem I might have in the near future....???  ;D







So what are my options?

Well, I could adapt the Herc kit`s wings to give me a bit more length? (No sniggering at the back please....)  :))

Or I could extend the Osprey`s winglets?

Or I could pour myself a large JD, watch Match of the Day and sleep on it?

Hmmm, option 3 it is then.  ;)
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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2012, 05:24:41 AM »
Possibly trim the props?  Though the JD option sounds good too. ;)
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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2012, 07:38:55 AM »
Can anyone spot the slight problem I might have in the near future....???  ;D

So what are my options?

Well, I could adapt the Herc kit`s wings to give me a bit more length? (No sniggering at the back please....)  :))

Or I could extend the Osprey`s winglets?

Or I could pour myself a large JD, watch Match of the Day and sleep on it?

Hmmm, option 3 it is then.  ;)

Skip the JD, your liver will appreciate it and just go with what works and requires less amputation. 
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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2012, 07:49:04 AM »
What about using the Hercules wings out until the match the Osprey wing chord (or close enough). This would give you blade clearance as well as fixing the wing root issue... unless you have Sotoolslinger's putty-fu, that is.

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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2012, 11:42:43 AM »
Possibly trim the props?
If not the same, my opinion is: truncate a little the blades, providing clearance for the fuselage.

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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2012, 12:13:37 PM »
I'll go for Frank3K's suggestion.  The V-22 has that hump for the rotating and stowing wing, you don't need that for what you're doing.  I'm surprised you didn't get two 1/72 V-22s and combine them with the C-130 fuselage to do a Quad Tilt-Rotor.  That has received a whole lot of study by Bell and Boeing.

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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2012, 09:58:48 PM »
Thank you all for the suggestions.

Someone suggested useing the Herc wings and attaching the engines and rotors further up the wing. This again I considered so I found the `sweet spot` and it looked good from a with point of view.



The major issue with this was the thinkness of the wing at that point. In my eyes it just would not look right going out from the wing root. ie, thick, getting thinner and then getting thick again. I`d also have to look at fitting outriggers to support the weight. Again this was going to be too complex IMPO.



So it came down to this.



I`m going to just cut down the middle and then `graft` the two pieces on top of the existing Herc wing routes. This way it will cover up a lot of the part that don`t need to be seen while adding a bit of length. I can then add a few bits from the spares box like one half of a fuel tank to cover up any gaps, but it should still give it a stream lined look without covering the whole thing in filler.

It won`t be a pretty build, but the end result might just be worth the hassle.



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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2012, 10:04:27 PM »
This looks so good  :-*

Having just watched avatar I was going to suggest contra rotating props cut down at the tips, but the herc wing will be interesting
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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2012, 11:03:22 PM »
I have "plans" (dreams???) of doing a quad tiltrotor in 1/48 in the far distant future.  I have to collect the 3 donor kits (2 V-22s and a C-130) and then work up the courage to start cutting.  I'll be using your project as both inspiration and a guide for how to go about doing this.

I think your plan to split the -22 wing spar to give you the added clearance for the prop/rotors makes the most sense, too.

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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2012, 11:31:46 PM »
Can anyone spot the slight problem I might have in the near future....???  ;D

So what are my options?


The QTR I have started also had this problem with both wings, my solution was to get hold of another complete wing (I'm using 1/72 parts) and I figured I needed about a third from each side for the front wing, and the remaining two thirds for the rear wing.  I'm using a 1/72 Transall C160 instead of a C-130 though.

Your project looks like you need somewhere between a third and half of a spare wing ---
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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2012, 02:17:10 AM »
Watching very intently oh yes..

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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2012, 03:39:45 AM »


So I made the cut, or destroyed a perfectly good model, depending on your point of view?

The following pics are of the layout masked together and I now have the clearance between the tip of the rotor and fuselage. In one shot you wil see that the underside wingroot is going to need a lot of work, but that the price you pay I suppose for getting a reasonably `clean` topside. I will obviously need to put in supports through the fuselage and into the wings, but will be much later. Next job is to start on the cockpit and build the fuselage.







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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2012, 04:27:49 AM »
This looks so good  :-*

Having just watched avatar I was going to suggest contra rotating props cut down at the tips, but the herc wing will be interesting
Well, the contra-proprotor concept is under study but strictly at the wind tunnel level at the moment.

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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2012, 04:40:52 AM »


I would have cut down the props just because V-22 props still have ground clearance fully lowered which I have seen for both repair and ceremonial purposes as above.  Having said that I think your solution is far more elegant and will add to its looks in a big way  :)
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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2012, 05:05:10 AM »
Great build and concept.  Is too cool.  8)      Enjoying every posting.   :)

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Re: Boeing CV-230 Herculean
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2012, 05:07:04 AM »
This looks so good  :-*

Having just watched avatar I was going to suggest contra rotating props cut down at the tips, but the herc wing will be interesting
Well, the contra-proprotor concept is under study but strictly at the wind tunnel level at the moment.

Interesting...
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