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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on August 11, 2013, 06:18:22 AM

Title: Bell 47/ H-13/ Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 11, 2013, 06:18:22 AM
Anyone got more details of this configuration:

(http://www.transchool.lee.army.mil/museum/transportation%20museum/images/helo9.bmp)




Greg, I edited your subject to cast the net more broadly  ;D -jcf
Title: Re: Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on August 11, 2013, 06:24:53 AM
Somewhere in my stash, I'm sure I've got a 1/72 conversion to do one of those (at least I have a conversion with missiles that look just like that).  I was going to put it on the UK version I have of the kit (italeri)
Title: Re: Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on August 11, 2013, 06:32:55 AM
There was a later release of the 1:35th scale Monogram Bell 47/H-13H (http://www.scale-rotors.com/galerie/1-utility-helicopters/149-bell-h-13h-gunship-sioux-revell.html) that included a number of rocket launcher tubes and a pair of machine guns that was rather menacing looking at first glance. 
Title: Re: Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 11, 2013, 07:29:50 AM
I was thinking of a British or Australian version with Malkara missiles
Title: Re: Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on August 11, 2013, 07:55:02 AM
I was thinking of a British or Australian version with Malkara missiles
in the movie 1984 (1984 with John Hurt) there was an H-13 with a painted over bubble that was rather evil looking.  Taking that a step further you could have yourself a rotary winged UAV in no time at all. 
Title: Re: Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on August 11, 2013, 11:21:26 AM
I t saw this picture this week on the Bell internal home page.  The missiles look to be SS-11's  with their launch racks spread well away from the aircraft.  I'd reckon this picture was from the 1950's when those first became available.  If memory serves me correctly, there were at least mockups of a similar fit, albeit rather closer to the fuselage, for the UH-1.
Title: Re: Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on August 11, 2013, 11:35:50 AM
I t saw this picture this week on the Bell internal home page.  The missiles look to be SS-11's  with their launch racks spread well away from the aircraft.  I'd reckon this picture was from the 1950's when those first became available.  If memory serves me correctly, there were at least mockups of a similar fit, albeit rather closer to the fuselage, for the UH-1.

The SS-11 fit for the UH-1 was three per side.  The Revell 1:32nd scale UH-1D Gunship Helicopter kit from long ago included as one of the armament options for the kit a set of six SS-11 ATGM that all suffered from some seriously thick wings.  The kit did not include anything for the missile control system that would have been very apparent in the cockpit as a small joy-stick for the co-pilot/gunner. 

For a project in 1:48th scale you could use the old Fujimi Alouette in 1:48th/1:50th scale that included the SS-11 in one of the kits.  No idea which company would have produced an SS-11 armed helicopter in 1:72nd scale. 
Title: Re: Bell 47/ H-13/ Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on August 11, 2013, 01:22:44 PM
A site of interest:
http://www.bell47.net/Family/_Bell47Family.htm (http://www.bell47.net/Family/_Bell47Family.htm)

The very cool 47H Bellairus.

(http://www.bell47.net/Family/47HHenry.gif)

(http://www.bell47.net/Promo/Announcing47Had.gif)
Title: Re: Bell 47/ H-13/ Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 11, 2013, 01:30:24 PM
An oddity:

(http://www.aerofiles.com/bell-47g2a1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bell 47/ H-13/ Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on August 11, 2013, 01:45:26 PM
Let us not forget the "Batcopter" from the 1960's Batman movie.  On a more practical note, there's also the Sioux Scout attack helicopter testbed.
Title: Re: Bell 47/ H-13/ Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Weaver on August 11, 2013, 05:37:59 PM
You can get SS-11s in 1/32nd scale on the Revell Alouette II.
Title: Re: Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on August 11, 2013, 09:29:03 PM
  No idea which company would have produced an SS-11 armed helicopter in 1:72nd scale.

I think what I have is an Airwaves conversion Jeff, now I just need to go find it again  -----  because will bug the heck out of me now !

EDIT:  just did some investigation, I think what I have is the Airwaves SS-11 conversion for the Westland Scout, which could be used on the Sioux as it's very similar.
Title: Re: Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on August 14, 2013, 10:20:43 PM
I was thinking of a British or Australian version with Malkara missiles

The Sioux might have been able to lift what, two Malkara?   ;D
Title: Re: Bell 47/ H-13/ Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Weaver on August 15, 2013, 12:09:35 AM
Malkara weighed 206lb per round, plus whatever the control boxes weighed.
Title: Re: Bell 47/ H-13/ Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on August 15, 2013, 01:57:59 AM
I took a look at a larger version of the picture that started this thread and what you see are missiles on the two outboard launchers while the inboard ones are clean.  If more on this comes to light at my place of employment, I'l pass the info on.
Title: Re: Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 15, 2013, 02:29:28 AM
I was thinking of a British or Australian version with Malkara missiles

The Sioux might have been able to lift what, two Malkara?   ;D

That's all I was planning.
Title: Re: Bell 47/ H-13/ Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 12, 2015, 02:19:04 AM
One I wasn't aware of:  Australian Army Bell Sioux with Mk 18 40mm grenade launcher:

(http://sobchak.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/bellsioux40mm.jpg?w=900&h=598)

Interesting fact about the Mk18 - it was a hand crank operated firearm.
Title: Re: Bell 47/ H-13/ Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Modelnut53 on September 25, 2015, 08:26:10 AM
One variant that would be cool to build is with a tandem cockpit.  Saw a picture a  few years ago but sadly can't remember the source.
Title: Re: Bell 47/ H-13/ Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on September 25, 2015, 08:28:46 AM
One variant that would be cool to build is with a tandem cockpit.  Saw a picture a  few years ago but sadly can't remember the source.
You mean the Sioux Scout that demonstrated the practicality of an attack helicopter?  If you google on "Sioux scout helicopter" you find plenty.
Title: Re: Bell 47/ H-13/ Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Weaver on September 25, 2015, 07:29:29 PM
I know there were several real turbine conversions, but you could do a whiff one using a Scout/Gazelle/Alouette engine, or scratchbuild one.
Title: Re: Bell 47/ H-13/ Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on September 26, 2015, 02:06:47 AM
One variant that would be cool to build is with a tandem cockpit.  Saw a picture a  few years ago but sadly can't remember the source.


Perhaps you are thinking of the Texas Helicopters M-79T:

(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Visschedijk/7342L-1.jpg)

(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Visschedijk/7342L-2.jpg)

http://aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/texas_hornet.php (http://aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/texas_hornet.php)

Title: Re: Bell 47/ H-13/ Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 26, 2015, 05:08:13 AM
One variant that would be cool to build is with a tandem cockpit.  Saw a picture a  few years ago but sadly can't remember the source.

You mean the Sioux Scout that demonstrated the practicality of an attack helicopter?  If you google on "Sioux scout helicopter" you find plenty.


Indeed - here are but a couple:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/3534351867_f499bbc13c_zpsvk51ah8y.jpg)(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/10876796276_f27e896e75_zpslfizycvc.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/207-sioux-scout-920-11_zpshfwapfdi.jpg)

It might take a bit of scratch building though since that cockpit is real narrow:

(http://chivethebrigade.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/207-sioux-scout-920-12.jpg)
Title: Re: Bell 47/ H-13/ Sioux (and derivatives) Helicopter Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 04, 2024, 02:48:45 AM
(https://elpoderdelasgalaxias.files.wordpress.com/2024/01/424602463_2514007525439841_5893401138690291410_n.jpg)