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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #325 on: March 11, 2022, 06:28:12 AM »
All the build information there is, for anyone here to tackle that project
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/semovente-m15-42-antiaereo/

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #326 on: March 11, 2022, 09:00:51 AM »
FWIW, the vehicle in Reply #323 is A4E2, first of four 1929 Vickers Light Tank Mk.I prototype hulls (ordered in 1928). It seems that in 1930, this hull was modified* to take an anti-aircraft turret armed with two .5 Vickers guns. The turret was similar to that which would be retro-fitted in 1931 to the Crossley D2E2 Armoured Car prototype (attached).

The Crossley D2E2 was one of two development vehicles leading to the Mk.I Armoured Car. So, does anyone know if any of the production types also had AA turrets?

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* The Tanks Encyclopedia lists five Mk.Is which may be confusion over this conversion. Mind you, that page also erroneously says "Mk.IA (army designation Vickers A4E4)" ... when the Mk.IAs were A4E6-through-A4E10.

-- https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/gb/Light_tank_MkI-II-III.php
-- General Staff 'A' Numbers: https://www.arcaneafvs.com/alist.html
-- http://www.crossley-motors.org.uk/history/military.html
-- http://www.crossley-motors.org.uk/history/military/mk1_armoured_car/mark1_armoured_car.html
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #327 on: July 05, 2022, 10:27:09 PM »
Another photo of the 3D printed otomatic.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #328 on: July 06, 2022, 01:17:03 AM »
Another photo of the 3D printed otomatic.

Can you post a link to where you are seeing these please?
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #329 on: July 06, 2022, 01:37:05 AM »
To possibly answer my own question, would this be the link/source?  https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missinglynx/1-35-otomatic-76-spaag-t331774.html
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #330 on: July 06, 2022, 05:01:02 PM »

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #331 on: July 17, 2022, 04:22:08 AM »
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #332 on: July 18, 2022, 01:04:01 AM »
To possibly answer my own question, would this be the link/source?  https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missinglynx/1-35-otomatic-76-spaag-t331774.html

Yep! That is the same model I was sharing.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #333 on: September 21, 2022, 02:41:39 AM »
Hezbollah parade, labeled "2P25-mounted self-propelled howitzers".


Actually an 85mm AAA gun
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_light_heavy_weapons_uk/ks-12_ks-12a_85mm_m1939_m1944_anti-aircraft_gun_cannon_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures.html

here's the donor hull



Just found this side view - note the firing platform on the 2nd (red arrow)

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #334 on: September 19, 2023, 03:50:36 AM »
Random idea:  Operational M247 "SGT York" but in Ukrainian scheme.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #335 on: September 20, 2023, 01:49:30 AM »
Random idea:  Operational M247 "SGT York" but in Ukrainian scheme.

with slat armour, quad pack of Stingers. Some scope to keep the FCS/Radar and swap the dual bofors with a gatling or twin 35mm...

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #336 on: September 20, 2023, 09:34:36 PM »
Random idea:  Operational M247 "SGT York" but in Ukrainian scheme.

with slat armour, quad pack of Stingers. Some scope to keep the FCS/Radar and swap the dual bofors with a gatling or twin 35mm...

GAU-8 ;)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8_Avenger


Or GAU-13/A :smiley:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-13
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #337 on: September 21, 2023, 03:04:14 AM »
Don't forget that GE's competitor did have the 30mm GAU-8 Avenger:

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #338 on: November 25, 2023, 02:00:10 AM »
Replace Chaparral missiles with derivatives of ASRAAM, AIM-9X, IRIS-T, or Japan's AAM-5?  Then combine with various possible carrying vehicles; perhaps something on a Stryker?

I was just thinking something similar - what if the Israelis updated their MIM-72A/M48 Chaparrals to replace the AIM-9D derived sidewinders with some of their Python family of missiles.  A quick comparison:

MIM-72 Chaparral   AIM-9D   Python-3/4   Python-5
Length2.87 m   2.87 m   2.95 m   3.1 m
Diameter127 mm   127 mm   160 mm   160 mm
Weight86 kg   88 kg   120 kg   105 kg
Warhead11kg   11 kg   11 kg   11 kg
SpeedMach 1.5   Mach 2.5+   Mach 3.5+   Mach 4
Range5 km   18 km   15 km   20+ km

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #339 on: January 04, 2024, 01:34:28 AM »
One I should have included also is the AIM-9X as an update to the MIM-72.  This is after able to be used on the NASAMS 3 air defense system
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #340 on: January 04, 2024, 01:45:37 AM »
Crazy but cool - looks like it belongs in a movie.  Could be interesting to model:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLcwZ4p2pIU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLcwZ4p2pIU</a>

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #341 on: January 04, 2024, 02:58:56 AM »
Random idea:  Operational M247 "SGT York" but in Ukrainian scheme.

with slat armour, quad pack of Stingers. Some scope to keep the FCS/Radar and swap the dual bofors with a gatling or twin 35mm...

Keep the stingers and the 40mm. The 40mm would be limited to ground targets but they would mess up anything other than a tank using modernized ammo. The Stingers would probably work as you only need to point them in the general direction. Use an optical sight for the 40mm as the radar couldn't find its own butt.
Slat armor and a new chassis would be cool.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #342 on: January 16, 2024, 08:10:04 AM »
FRANKENSAMS

Cheesy recent article
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/12/28/us-put-american-missiles-on-soviet-launchers-and-sent-them-to-ukraine/#google_vignette

An insightful report by the Financial Times discloses a remarkable initiative taken by Kyiv in reviving its US-supplied AIM-9 air-to-air missiles; believed to be out-of-operation, they are now serving in surface-to-air defenses. Speaking to the publication, an anonymous official states, “We rectified them and discovered an innovative method for their ground deployment. This is essentially a homemade air defense.”

that drew on this NYT from last year
https://web.archive.org/web/20231028152410/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/28/us/politics/air-defense-ukraine-frankensam.html

The only problem with extant examples is that it's a newish missile in an old package, that still look like the old package.  :icon_nif:  However, there's room for imagination...

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #343 on: February 07, 2024, 09:25:58 PM »
Until *we* get a dedicated Drone/AntiDrone inspiration thread, I reckon here will do.

After another of Frank's masterpieces [see https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=10953.0], I went down the rabbit hole of the unknown until I learned it's name is

The ‘LMADIS’ Ground-Based Counter-Drone System
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/11/24/us-marines-lmadis-counter-drone-system/

Isometric inspiration for y'all's

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #344 on: February 07, 2024, 09:47:54 PM »
Until *we* get a dedicated Drone/AntiDrone inspiration thread, I reckon here will do.

You know you can create one yourself, right? ???
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #345 on: February 07, 2024, 10:23:47 PM »
Until *we* get a dedicated Drone/AntiDrone inspiration thread, I reckon here will do.

You know you can create one yourself, right? ???

You hurt my delicate feelings with that question.