6x6 or less

[Rickshaw]

The Tatrapan is a Slovak-made 6x6 multi-purpose armored vehicle. It has a modular design with removable special purpose body. Various superstructures can be carried on one chassis. It takes up to 60 minutes to replace the superstructure. It is designed for multi-purpose roles like troop, weapon, specialized or communication systems carrier. A variant of the Tatrapan has been exported to Cyprus, and possibly, some other countries.

   The baseline variant of the Tatrapan, the T1, is used as an armored personnel carrier. It has a crew of two and accommodates 10 fully-equipped troops. In emergency it can take 12 troops.

   Armor of the Tatrapan provides all-round protection against 7.62-mm armor-piercing rounds. Some sources claim, that its superstructure withstands 12.7-mm machine gun fire. The Tatrapan is fitted with automatic fire extinguishing system.

   A baseline version is equipped with one or two roof-mounted 7.62-mm or 12.7-mm machine guns or 40-mm automatic grenade launchers in various combinations.

   The Tatrapan armored personnel carrier is based on the Tatra T815 Kolos 6x6 heavy utility truck chassis. It is worth mentioning that front and end of the vehicle are swapped. It is powered by a Tatra T3-930-51 a 19-liter turbocharged air-cooled diesel engine, developing 355 hp. Vehicle has a full-time all-wheel drive. Steered are front couple of axles. It has a central tyre inflation system, which can be operated on the move from the drivers station. This APC is not amphibious. It can operate in various climatic conditions, ranging from -40°C to +50°C.

 

Variants

 

   Tatrapan T1 baseline version;

   Tatrapan ZASA intended for peacekeeping operations. This vehicle has a reinforced structure and offers improved protection against mines;

   Tatrapan VESPRA command and staff vehicle;

   Tatrapan PVO air defense command post vehicle. This vehicle has a crew of seven;

   Tatrapan ASTRA PVO automated air defense coordination and command vehicle;

   Tatrapan DELSYS artillery command vehicle;

   Tatrapan ARSYS, BAZUS ans VPG artillery command vehicles for Zuzana-equipped artillery units;

   Tatrapan AMB armored ambulance;

   Tatrapan MOD upgraded version, powered by a more powerful water-cooled diesel engine. It has improved cross-country performance. This variant has improved protection against landmines.

[Source]

[Rickshaw]

The Transportpanzer 1, or Fuchs (Fox), was developed to be an armored amphibious load carrier utilizing commercially available components wherever possible. Following extensive trials with prototype vehicles the main production run was carried out by Thyssen Heinschel from 1979 onwards. From is origins as a load carrier the fully amphibious Tpz 1 has been modified to meet many other requirements, one being as an APC capable of carrying up to 14 troops seated individually in the load compartment (the German Army limits the number of troops carried to ten). A total of 996 Fuchs armored vehicles of all versions were delivered for the German Army between 1980 and 1986.

   As a load carrier the vehicle can carry nearly 3 000 kg of supplies under armor, with this version being convertible to an armored ambulance when necessary. However the Transportpanzer 1 has been adapted for many other purposes. The German Army alone uses the Tpz 1 as a RASIT battlefield surveillance radar carrier, combat engineer carrier, electronic warfare vehicle (without the amphibious capability), command and communications centre, an explosive ordnance disposal vehicle for the German Air Force, and an NBC reconnaissance vehicle. Other nations use the later variant, including Israel and most of the NATO countries.

   The US Army has adopted the NBC vehicle as the M93 Fox and reportedly has over 300 examples.

   Other export variants of the Transportpanzer 1 include an 81 mm mortar carrier, a 120 mm mortar tractor, a general purpose armored support vehicle, and an IFV version mounting a 20- or 25 mm cannon in an external mounting on the roof. Customers (apart from the NBC version) include Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Netherlands and Venezuela. In 2014 license production of this APC from knock-down kits commenced in Algeria. Initially 120 vehicles will be built for local needs. However up to 1 200 Fuchs 2 APCs might be produced until 2024 for Algerian Army.

   The armament carried by the Fuchs varies according to the role and user nation. Most carrier versions are limited to a single 7.62 mm machine gun, but other models may have various 12.7 mm machine gun or 20 mm cannon installations in small turrets of external weapon stations.

   The Transportpanzer 2 is an improved version. It can carry up to 4 000 kg internally without loosing its amphibious capabilities.

Variants

   RASIT battlefield surveillance radar carrier.

   Combat engineer carrier.

   Electronic warfare vehicle (without the amphibious capability).

   Command and communications centre.

   Explosive ordnance disposal vehicle for the German Air Force.

   NBC reconnaissance vehicle. This armored vehicle was adopted by the US Army as the M93 Fox. The US Army reportedly has over 300 examples.

   Armored ambulance.

   81 mm mortar carrier.

   120 mm mortar tractor.

   General purpose armored support vehicle.

   Infantry fighting vehicle version mounting a 20- or 25 mm cannon in an external mounting on the roof.

   APE, a specialized 4x4 amphibious engineer reconnaissance vehicle. It was developed for recognition of rivers and lakes. Its main role was to explore the shored and river bed in order to determine their suitability for deep wading by main battle tanks. Around 90% of its automotive components, including engine and transmission, are identical to those of the Tpz-1 Fuchs 6x6 armored personnel carrier. However the APE was never adopted.

   8x8 version of the Fuchs was developed, but it never entered service. Only 2 prototypes were built.

[Source]



Mod edit: fixed link

[Rickshaw]

At the end of 1970s Japan began development of a wheeled armored reconnaissance vehicle. For a prolonged period of time Japan operated mainly tracked armored vehicles due to their rough terrain. The Type 87 was developed by Komatsu. In 1988 first seven vehicles were produced out of 60 planned.

   The Type 87 is fitted with a turret-mounted Swiss Oerlikon Contraves 25-mm cannon. Secondary armament consists of coaxial 7.62-mm machine gun.

   Armor of this reconnaissance vehicle provides protection against small arms fire and artillery shell splinters. Vehicle is fitted with an NBC protection system.

   Vehicle has a crew of five, including commander, gunner, driver, radio operator and a scout.

   The Type 87 has a rear-mounted engine. It is powered by Isuzu 10 PBI diesel, developing 305 horsepower. Vehicle is fitted with a central tyre inflation system. It can be adjusted on the move to impove mobility over difficult off-road terrain. The Type 87 armored reconnaissance vehicle is not amphibious.

[Source]

[dy031101]

Otaman 6 x 6 by Practika in Ukraine, self-propelled 122mm howitzer variant

[perttime]

Sisu/Patria XA-180 (and later versions)

In 1980, Sisu produced an XA-180 prototype for Finnish Army tests. It competed against two other prototypes, but was declared the winner of the trials in 1983. On 22 December 1983 the Finnish Army ordered a first batch of fifty XA-180s, of which nine were reserved for UN duties. The vehicle proved quite successful and more orders were soon to follow.

The XA-180 was originally manufactured and marketed by the Finnish company Sisu Auto but later variants were marketed by the Finnish defence company Patria and are known as Patria XA series. The Vehicle's widely known nickname "Pasi" (also a common given name of Finnish men) stems from the Finnish name "panssari-Sisu" (English: armoured Sisu). The main superstructure is mainly manufactured from 6 to 12 mm of armour steel and the bottom is mine-strengthened, and the front windows are bullet-resistant and equipped with protective hatches. The vehicle has continuous six wheel drive and good capabilities for off-road driving. It can take inclines up to a maximum of 60°.

The XA series has no standard armament, but is equipped with a rotating turret structure for installation of light/heavy machine guns or autocannons. It also has 8 BMP style firing ports on the sides and rear. Therefore, passengers, usually a squad of infantry, can fire their weapons from the cover of the armor.

The XA series is popular in peacekeeping missions due to its mobility, non-aggressive appearance, and good protection against mines and improvised explosive devices (IED). The vehicle also offers a good combination of armament, comfort, mine protection, protection against shrapnel and small calibre fire, road speed, short time of learning how to drive, and an acceptable terrain mobility. It also offers more internal space compared to other similar vehicles like the Fuchs or BTR-80.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_Pasi

[Rickshaw]

The Orca has the distinction of having the highest passenger capacity of any modern APC, and it is among the largest and heaviest ever built. It was developed with the intent of providing the Chilean Army with a high-mobility universal carrier that could rapidly transport large amounts of men, weaponry, and equipment over great distances.

   Development of the VTP-1 Orca began in the early 1980s, and the project formally announced in 1983. Concept art of the Orca displayed earlier in 1982 proved different from the actual layout of the vehicle. It was developed in parallel with the BMS-1 Alacran Halftrack, utilizing a large number of mechanical and structural components, and thus bears a close visual resemblance.

   It is unknown if the Orca ever saw service, but it is understood that the Chilean Army ordered 100 in 1985, and that an additional, smaller order was placed by the Chilean Marine Corps. It is no longer available for production.

   The APC variant is equipped with a skate mount for a 7.62mm MAG, a 12.7mm M2HB, or a Mk.19 AGL grenade launcher on the commander's cupola. The hull is also outfitted to support a heavier weapon mount (such as an autocannon turret), though this would likely preclude the use of a cupola-mounted weapon. There are 2 firing ports with vision blocks on each side, and the rear door.

   Vehicle armor is high-hardness steel, varying in thickness from 6 mm to 16 mm, which provides sufficient protection against explosion overpressure, shall splinters, and 7.62-mm armor-piercing rounds. It is unknown if spall liners, an NBC protection system, or a fire suppression system are fitted.

   The crew sits slightly forward of the center, as the rear passenger spanning more than half the length of the vehicle. The driver is on the left, and the vehicle commander on the right, while the passengers sit lined-up side-to-side against the fighting compartment walls on bleachers. There are two rectangular 1-man troop hatches at the middle of the vehicle, which are set at the edges of the roof, and are hinged on the outside. The single rear door is hinged on one side, and opens horizontally. The VTP-1 Orca to this day has a larger passenger capacity than any production wheeled armored personnel carrier.

   As with most AFVs manufactured by developing countries, the Orca's electronics are very spare. A radio is standard equipment, and a starlight periscope for the driver is optional, but no other significant electronics are known to have been offered.

   The VTP-1 Orca's propulsion is a Detroit Diesel 6V53T Diesel V6 with 275 hp, coupled with an Allison MT653DR automatic transmission with 5 forward gears and 1 reverse gear. It has a top speed of 120 km/h, and a maximum road range of 1 200 km. 400 liters of diesel fuel are carried internally. The suspension is reportedly taken from a commercial truck, but no further details are available. This armored personnel carrier is not amphibious.

Variants

   Proposed variants of the VTP-1 Orca include a prime mover for towed artillery, a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun with 20-mm or 30-mm autocannons, a tank destroyer with an ATGM launcher (possibly the Hammerhead TOW launcher), a 120-mm mortar carrier, a self-propelled radar vehicle, a self-propelled communication relay vehicle, an armored ambulance, a mobile field hospital, and a mobile workshop;

   BMS-1 Alacran; this Chilean halftrack vehicle is similar to the Orca, having been developed in parallel using common components.

[Source]

[Rickshaw]

Recently a new 6x6 armored personnel carrier appeared in the North Korea. This armored vehicle is produced in quantity and is in service with the DPRK Army. Little information is available on this new armored vehicle. Its official designation is also unknown.

   At some point North Korean army acquired a number of BTR-80A APCs. Some sources report that 32 units were acquired. Also North Korean army operates older BTR-60PB 8x8 APCs. A couple of years ago an indigenous 8x8 armored personnel carrier appeared in North Korea, which is a clone of the BTR-80A with some modifications. It seems that the 6x6 APC was developed alongside it. The 6x6 model has similar layout and is fitted with the same turret.

   The 6x6 APC is used to carry troops and cargo under armor. Some sources claim that this vehicle is also used for reconnaissance.

   Vehicle has a welded hull and turret. It is estimated that front arc withstands hits from 12.7-mm rounds, while all-round protection is against 7.62-mm rounds.

   This new armored personnel carrier is fitted with an indigenous turret. The same turret is also used on some other North Korean armored vehicles. It is armed with two 14.5-mm machine guns. It is believed that two heavy machine guns are used not for higher density of fire but in case one fails another will keep on firing. Also there is a coaxial 7.62-mm machine gun. Weapons have high elevation angles and can engage low-flying helicopters. During parades this APC is sometimes additionally fitted with a man-portable air defense missile.

   There is a door on either side of the hull. Doors are different than those used on the Russian APC. Each door has a firing port.

   The North Korean 6x6 APC has a crew of three, including commander, gunner and driver. It can carry about 6 fully-equipped troops.

   Engine is located at the rear. Vehicle has a central tyre inflation system. The new North Korean armored personnel carrier is fully amphibious. On water it is propelled by a single waterjet.

[Source]

[dy031101]

It would appear that North Korea is developing a NLOS ATGM missile system to be mounted on the indigenous 6 x 6 AFV design.  Story HERE.

[dy031101]

Wz-551-1 IFV, with Wz-501/BMP-1 turret.

[Gingie]

Some Canadian Content...

Armoured Vehicle General Purpose (AVGP) Special Engineered Variant (SEV) Air Defence (AD).  Only one ever made, on live fire trial with 18 AD Regt RCA. Probably turned into razor blades and scrap by now.



AVGP Cougar on patrol in Somalia


AVGP Mobile Repair Team (prototype, the AVGP fleet was sold off before many of these such life-extension projects were implemented)


Some of the recipients included Civilian Police; here the New Glasgow PD has an unarmed Cougar for their Emergency Response Team


while the RCMP operate a couple de-turreted AVGP Grizzly, calling them Tactical Armoured Vehicle (TAV) 2.


Edmonton Police Service also use the Grizzly, but have kitted it out with a battering ram, seen here in the travel / stowed position

[apophenia]

Great AVGP stuff Graeme ... especially the Grizzly AD photo and the MRT artwork! Thanks 

[Frank3k]

The Japanese Type 87 look like it's a caricature/super deformed/egg version of a normal AFV.

[dy031101]

VN2C, a mine-resistant variant of the Wz-551

[dy031101]

Question: which one would be more useful- 60mm HVMS or stuffing 90mm Cockerill Mk.III into the AGVP Cougar's turret?

[Logan Hartke]

As always, it depends on what you're using it for. I'd think the 60mm HVMS is more lethal (and cooler) if your primary threat is T-55s and Leopard 1s. In most cases, though, the things you're shooting at in this day and age tend to be hostile bunkers and buildings. For that, the 90mm Cockerill is far more useful.

Cheers,

Logan

[dy031101]

I see.  Thanks.

Now at the low end of NORINCO/Poly (don't know which one) price range- "Second Generation" Wz-523 a.k.a. 05P

[dy031101]

LAV-150 with a 25mm gun turret.  The M242 Bushmaster, according to the description.

The turret seems more-compact than the Delco turret on the LAV-25.  Can the turret fit into other armoured cars like the FV721 Fox and/or the Panhard AML (since, compared to one-man solutions such as the Sharpshooter and the FVT-925, there is a gunner's hatch that I can potentially replace with a MCT  )?

[Rickshaw]

If the turret ring is large enough, and the vehicle well deep enough, there is no reason why such a turret could not be fitted.

[Marderman]

Hello,
German Fuchs KAI (KampfmittelAufklärung und -Identifizierung)
I got the crane from a friend who had built some for the military industry. The seriesvehicle ist based on Fuchs A8. I do the testvehicle.









And my  Fuchs family:


Didi

[Jeffry Fontaine]

@MarderMan/Didi - So if I translated that correctly, the Fuchs with crane attached is for the purpose of inspecting and identifying UXO/explosive devices such as IED and roadside bombs?

Very nice adaptation of the Fuchs. 

[GTX_Admin]

Is the crane scratch built?  Do you have construction photos?  I could use that one a couple of projects.

[Marderman]

I wrote it was from a friend. I don't think he can give out the drawings. The crane was scratch built. The crane was in this condition. But I could hold a tape measure on it.

Yes, Jeffry, for IED´s.

.

[Story]

Vietnam deployed BTR-152 for UN mission in the Sudan
https://www.armyrecognition.com/january_2020_global_defense_security_army_news_industry/vietnam_deployed_btr-152_for_un_mission_in_the_sudan.html

More info and a video - with interior shots.

In 2018, for the first time, Vietnam decided to contribute troops to UN peacekeeping force. Composed of medical personnel, the Vietnam contingent would participate in United Nations Mission in the Sudan (UNMIS). Expecting hostility, VPA converted a BTR-152 into a medevac.

https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1216424000760401920

Looks like a BTR-152U Command Version w/o windows (goes with being up-armored) and an ambulance light bar.
Side view drawing http://www.maquetland.com/v2/images_articles/btr152k2.jpg

To wit - https://www.super-hobby.com/products/BTR-152-S-Soviet-armored-command-vehicle.html

[Frank3k]

Wow - a BTR-152 still in use! Skid makes/made variants in 1/35

[Frank3k]

What’s the make of the yellow truck from “Tales from the Loop”? Is is a custom build for the movie or a real vehicle? I haven’t been able toID it. It’s i. The background of the pictures in this tweet.

[robunos]

It's an Alvis Salamander crash tender, see https://www.trucksplanet.com/catalog/model.php?id=1133
ACE models make one in 1/72, see [size=78%]http://acemodel.com.ua/en/model/705[/size]


cheers,
Robin.

[GTX_Admin]

To wit - https://www.super-hobby.com/products/BTR-152-S-Soviet-armored-command-vehicle.html

Oh, that just begs to be built as a civilian camper van style creation...

[Frank3k]

It's an Alvis Salamander crash tender, see https://www.trucksplanet.com/catalog/model.php?id=1133
ACE models make one in 1/72, see [size=78%]http://acemodel.com.ua/en/model/705[/size]


cheers,
Robin.

Thanks Robin! Too bad it isn't 1/35, but it does have mostly flat surfaces.

[The Rat]

FLASHBACK!    Can't see the term 6x6 without thinking of all the rides I had in the old deuce and a half. Redefined the word 'rattletrap'!

[The Big Gimper]

Love this POS. When I got my 404 (CAF speak for driver's license) I got to drive this icebox in January. Heating was optional.

[The Rat]

Love this POS. When I got my 404 (CAF speak for driver's license) I got to drive this icebox in January. Heating was optional.

Yeah, had my 404. Can't even remember how many vehicles I was checked out on. Gone now, it was in a wallet that was stolen many years ago.

[Story]

Unknown French portee at Bir Hakeim - 5cm PAK38

http://baberonwargames.blogspot.com/2012/08/le-revanche.html

[GTX_Admin]

Experimental British ACS Thornycroft Amazon 6x4 S. P. 17pdr AT developed in 1942 on the basis of the same truck. This device was equipped with a 17-pound anti-tank gun, and it looked not forward, but back.

[GTX_Admin]

Unknown French portee at Bir Hakeim - 5cm PAK38

http://baberonwargames.blogspot.com/2012/08/le-revanche.html

In a similar vein:  A truck mounted 6-pdr anti-tank gun in the Western Desert, 1942.

[GTX_Admin]

And this:  AEC Deacon




Which one used to be able to get a kit of from Accurate Armour:

[robunos]

Experimental British ACS Thornycroft Amazon 6x4 S. P. 17pdr AT developed in 1942 on the basis of the same truck. This device was equipped with a 17-pound anti-tank gun, and it looked not forward, but back.

Many, many, MANY thanks for these . . .   
I've been looking for more pictures of this vehicle for, literally, years. The only one that I have is this one,


 


from B.T.White's 'British Tanks and Fighting Vehicles'. Of course, now I'll have to buy an Airfix Recovery Set, so that I can Finally build one . . .   


cheers,
Robin.

[M.A.D]

Experimental British ACS Thornycroft Amazon 6x4 S. P. 17pdr AT developed in 1942 on the basis of the same truck. This device was equipped with a 17-pound anti-tank gun, and it looked not forward, but back.

Interesting concept GTX, didn't the French actually operationally field something similar?
My initial critisism is it's height - not the type of silhouette you'd want when ambushing/hunting tanks.

M.A.D

[perttime]

Thread title doesn't say it has to have armour or guns...

Sisu KB-45/A-45/AH-45, informally known as "Proto"



Sisu A-45 is a light off-road lorry made by the Finnish heavy vehicle producer Suomen Autoteollisuus (SAT) in 1970–1982. The two-axle, all-wheel-drive vehicle with payload of 4 150 kg was a further development of Sisu KB-45, that was originally developed after an assignment of the Finnish Defence Forces.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisu_A-45

The "Proto's" are substituted in Finnish army by 2008 presented Sisu A2045 lorries.

Payload is 2 300 kg in terrain and 4 000 kg on road. The front overhang is 1 300 mm and rear overhang 1 000 mm. The turning radius is 7.6 metres and top speed 90 km/h.[3]

The good off-road capability is carried out by a torsionally bending frame structure and middle located engine which enable an even wheel load even in rough terrain. One of the wheels can be jacked up by one metre the rest three still touching the ground. During the validation tests, the vehicle was driven up 60% steep hills and it could also withstand a 45% side slope without falling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisu_KB-45

I remember seeing these towing anti-aircraft guns, back when I lived near a training unit.
Some Fire/Rescue Departments had trucks based on it, for going where the going gets tough.

[Old Wombat]

Unknown French portee at Bir Hakeim - 5cm PAK38

http://baberonwargames.blogspot.com/2012/08/le-revanche.html

In a similar vein:  A truck mounted 6-pdr anti-tank gun in the Western Desert, 1942.

These would be one of the Chevrolet (or, possibly, Ford) CMP's so prevalent in the British Army during WW2:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Military_Pattern_truck

[GTX_Admin]

My initial critisism is it's height - not the type of silhouette you'd want when ambushing/hunting tanks.

M.A.D

Probably not an issue when one considers the height of some tanks in the same time.  If used in a tank destroyer style role it could still be effective.

[GTX_Admin]

I have the bits to mount a 17pdr on the back of one of these instead of the 40mm Bofors:

[GTX_Admin]

This is going to end well...maybe:

[GTX_Admin]

Armoured Bedford truck with a 37mm C.O.W automatic gun. Used for airfield defence.

[Story]

How about Russia's ‘Eskadron’ lightweight assault vehicle? Wheels look suspiciously like those from a UAZ 469.

https://defpost.com/eskadron-russias-new-terrain-special-forces-assault-vehicle/



Looks bouncy.

[Frank3k]

It would be funny if they just put a new body on the old UAZ 469, which had/has good off-road performance. Maybe a newer engine?

[GTX_Admin]

Bison concrete armoured lorry/mobile pillbox:



Bisons were produced in Britain during the invasion crisis of 1940-1941. Based on a number of different lorry chassis, it featured a fighting compartment protected by a layer of concrete. Bisons were used by the Royal Air Force (RAF) to protect aerodromes and by the Home Guard.  They came in multiple forms. Many were old and some dated from the First World War period, one had even seen service as a fire engine and some had not even been converted from solid to pneumatic tyres. With a variety of chassis to work on, Bisons inevitably varied in detail, but were made in three distinct types:

Type 1 was the lightest. It had a fully armoured cab and a small armoured fighting compartment roofed with canvas.
Type 2 had an armoured cab roofed with canvas and a separate fully enclosed fighting compartment resembling a small pillbox on the back.
Type 3 was the largest and heaviest. It had a contiguous cabin and fighting compartment completely enclosed in concrete armour.

[Story]

1) Griswold Family goes to Afghanistan

2) KAMAZ (?) with Mi-8 (?) fuselage.

[aerospacer]

Yay - bunker on wheels!

[The Big Gimper]

Real Scientists | Elise @realscientists
Transport to field locations can take many forms. I’ve been in vehicles that would definitely make my mum nervous! First up is this ‘predator’ truck we took off-road when traveling through the taiga forest in Siberia. #ARCTIS2020 #GoSiberianGateway

[robunos]

Alvis Stalwart prototype, using a Salamander cab . . .


https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/alvis-stalwart-prototype-vehicle-pv1.36680/#post-442693




cheers,
Robin.

[perttime]

Sisu GTP 4 X 4 with "highly modular structure, which enables numerous variants for different operational uses, all using the same backbone structure."
https://sisuauto.com/en/gtp-4x4/



The Finnish Defense Forces have ordered 6 vehicles for testing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisu_GTP

[dy031101]

I finally stumbled across a pic of the Fox MILAN.

As it turns out, the main turret of the prototype vehicle appears to not be just a modified original turret (I was wondering why, according to the wording used by most online articles mentioning this variant, the RARDEN cannon was replaced with a 7.62mm chaingun before spotting this picture) but a new one altogether.

[apophenia]

I note that a few sources that describe this as an MCT (MILAN Compact Turret) which yours certainly isn't.

Somebody on arrse.co.uk said that the two Fox prototype conversions each had a different turret type ... though neither was based on the original Fox turret. So maybe there was the one in your photo and another that had the MCT? Dunno.

[dy031101]

I note that a few sources that describe this as an MCT (MILAN Compact Turret) which yours certainly isn't.

I think the MCT refers to the twin MILAN launcher, which I also think is (almost or outright) the same as used by the FV120 Spartan MCT, on the main turret roof.

Incidentally, I know Wikipedia probably shouldn't be considered as authoritative, but its description of the FV120 Spartan MCT as having a two-man turret is kinda weird- that superstructure the MILAN launcher is mounted on doesn't look trainable to me.

[Logan Hartke]

Some folks might find this interesting as another option for a T-34-85 turret lying around in a spares box.



Ratel 85

Logan's Profiles - Ratel 85

[ysi_maniac]

Sisu GTP 4 X 4 with "highly modular structure, which enables numerous variants for different operational uses, all using the same backbone structure."
https://sisuauto.com/en/gtp-4x4/



The Finnish Defense Forces have ordered 6 vehicles for testing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisu_GTP

Love this!

[GTX_Admin]

Yemen’s Houthi built crazy pickup with 30mm cannon

[Gingie]

And we were concerned about putting a GPMG on a G-Wagon!

[apophenia]

And we were concerned about putting a GPMG on a G-Wagon!

 

[Story]

"Action Mobile Camper" sounds worthy of the 12" G.I. Joe.

Half the fun of owning this would be figuring out an appropriate playlist for the Alpine entertainment system.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-bae-titan/

[Old Wombat]

And we were concerned about putting a GPMG on a G-Wagon!

It's a LandCruiser &, therefore, unbreakable!

[Story]

Ratel in Yemen with what looks like a homebrewed ZPU-2 turret

[dy031101]

...... what looks like a homebrewed ZPU-2 turret

BAU-23X2 weapon station from KMDB of Ukraine.  Uses similar guns to those of the ZU-23.

[The Big Gimper]

Seen on Twitter.

"France has done a superb job with its Jaguar 6x6 EBRC. Its 40x220 mm CTAS cannon and twin MMP anti-tank missiles give it a double whammy of reconnaissance strike lethality."

[Frank3k]

That looks like the armor equivalent of a fanboy Star Trek ship - eight nacelles, 20 photon torpedoes, 100 laser cannons...

[Story]

That looks like the armor equivalent of a fanboy Star Trek ship - eight nacelles, 20 photon torpedoes, 100 laser cannons...

It's also a spiritual violation of the intent of reconnaissance - you're not supposed to get decisively engaged, if discovered just shoot 'em up and run like hell.

[Frank3k]

It's also a spiritual violation of the intent of reconnaissance - you're not supposed to get decisively engaged, if discovered just shoot 'em up and run like hell.

According to Wikipedia, the French want this to be an "Armored Reconnaissance and Combat Vehicle"... so basically a Jack of all trades, master of none. Or to quote Futurama  “She's built like a steakhouse, but she handles like a bistro”

[Story]

... like trying to sneak around in a CHAR B. 

[Story]

[GTX_Admin]

That needs to be built.

[Story]

That needs to be built.

Not just dualie rear axles but trilies!

M42 Duster turret setup as a donor base, a plastic hemisphere looted from somewhere else?
Stabilizers from some 1/24th trailer kit?
ITALERI BM-13 (Zil-151) chassis (  4 more wheels) as a stand-in for a pre-war Studebaker?

PS - went googling. Frank needs to build this, if only for the LA connection
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/mobile-pill-box-fortress/

Meanwhile, 115mm main gun cobbled onto a 6X somewhere in Syria.

[Frank3k]

I think that mobile pill box was a one shot (or two shot) deal, with the recoil probably tearing the pill box off its rails. If that didn't stop it, the fumes inside the vent-less pillbox would surely kill the crew.

I also doubt the "65 miles an hour" speed, unless part of that was a 60 MPH tailwind.

[Story]

There were all sorts of exaggerated performance technology demonstrators before the war, offered by questionable companies (*coff coff* Brewster Aeronautics *coff coff*).

In this case, the back story practically writes itself - the prototype gets driven around LA to gather press attention and investors.

As soon as word of Pearl Harbor reaches LA, the company valiantly offers it's services to protect the city. During the night of 24-25 February 1942, the crew goes into action but the contraption disassembles itself. The scrappers show up two days later.

No one ever speaks of it again.

[GTX_Admin]

questionable companies (*coff coff* Brewster Aeronautics *coff coff*).

Off topic a bit but when it comes to Brewster don't forget that they did operate quite successfully as a component manufacturer for 10+yrs.  They got out of their depth when they hired Alfred and Ignacio Miranda and then couldn't really meet demands during the war as a full aircraft producer (though they did produce over 2000 aircraft) due to management not being up to the job.  If they had stayed a component producer they would probably have done well.

[Story]

  Alfred and Ignacio Miranda 

Exactly the two (eg American Armament Corporation (AAC) of New York) I was thinking would be behind something like this, although you can't blame them guys for the Brewster workers shagging in the fuselages when they were supposed to be assembling things.

[jcf]

There were all sorts of exaggerated performance technology demonstrators before the war, offered by questionable companies (*coff coff* Brewster Aeronautics *coff coff*).

(*coff coff* Preston Tucker *coff coff*)
 

[Story]

(*coff coff* Preston Tucker *coff coff*)
 

Thanks for the memory jog - I've been hunting for naked pics/drawings of the AAC 37mm.
https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2013/08/02/another-tucker-of-the-future-the-tucker-tiger-tank


Back in the mid-90s, I got to crawl around inside of the three Marmon Herrington CTMS-1TB1s brought back from Guatemala.
https://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/marmon-herrington.htm

The bronze breach assemblies (reminded me of Gatling houses) were demilitarized by cutting in half with a welding torch. The turret walls had racks for the five round (?) 37mm clips.

[GTX_Admin]

Nicholas Moran recently did a video on the Tucker Tiger:  Why the Tucker Tiger Failed

[Story]

Nicholas Moran recently did a video on the Tucker Tiger:  Why the Tucker Tiger Failed

Yeah, that came up during my searches. He did the right thing and used Primary Sources.

[jcf]

Ye Gods there are some idiots in the video comments. 

"The military during the Civil War, also did not want repeating rifles, this trend remained until the Great war,
only after they were being wiped out by the German repeating arms.  We were also slow in adopting machine
guns until the Mexican American war when one of the Generals mounted them on automobiles on his own, not
with the blessing of the Army."

Da Fuq? 

Yeah, right the US Army and Marine Corps were still using single-shot rifles in WWI. 
Whatta maroon.

[GTX_Admin]

Just remember:



And I fear we're reaching critical mass on the morons...

[Story]

This movie was meant to be a comedy, not a documentary.

[GTX_Admin]

Indeed

[Story]

11 APRIL 1945 - U.S. ARMY FORCES REACH THE ELBE RIVER
Do you see what I see?

[Old Wombat]

Well, they may not have brought everything, including the kitchen sink, but they did bring the stove.

[Story]

Well, they may not have brought everything, including the kitchen sink, but they did bring the stove.

Stove + washtub = winning.

[GTX_Admin]

The towed gun is to defend the hot tub

[Story]

Kamaz truck with welded BMP hatches, BTR doors, and T-72 engine decks, among other things for extra armor and a ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft cannon for infantry fire support

[Old Wombat]

Is that a Ukrainian mod or a Russian* mod?


[*: I note that it has the Russian "Z" painted on the door.]

[Story]

Is that a Ukrainian mod or a Russian* mod?
[*: I note that it has the Russian "Z" painted on the door.]

Don't remember or source didn't state which, but at this point anything happening there seems to be interchangeable.

It's like a 21st century version of the fighting in North Africa 41-42.

[Story]

Now that WIFFs are becoming realities, it seems kind of boring - it'll hardly be worth overpainting the French markings before these get turned into burning junk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/france-is-sending-tank-killing-amx10rc-armored-vehicles-to-ukraine-2023-1

[GTX_Admin]

before these get turned into burning junk.

What the...?

[ChernayaAkula]

If they use them as MBTs some people make them out to be, going toe to toe with T-72s, sure, they won't live long. But I'm sure the Ukrainians will employ them to their strengths. Can see these providing mobile fire support to Humvee raids as in the Kharkiv counter-offensive.
And the gun is good enough to reliably kill anything starting with a B.

[Story]

before these get turned into burning junk.

What the...?

Exactly what part don't you get?  Everything else in Kiev's arsenal has been attrited, to the point where the west is scrapping up antique French recon vehicles.  Eventually those too will be hammered.

[GTX_Admin]

Exactly what part don't you get?  Everything else in Kiev's arsenal has been attrited, to the point where the west is scrapping up antique French recon vehicles.  Eventually those too will be hammered.

Yes, the Ukrainians have lost a lot in defending themselves against the Russian aggressors but they still have quite a lot, including Western supplied systems.  To give just a few examples:

• Australia has supplied 90 Bushmaster PMVs - reportedly 3 have been destroyed and 2 damaged
• A couple of hundred M113s and derivatives have been supplied by various nations - reportedly between 24 and 35 have been destroyed/damaged
• 152 M777 Howitzers have been supplied by various - reportedly 23 of these have been destroyed or damaged
• 20 M142 HIMARS supplied (so far) - nil destroyed despite Russia's multiple claims to have destroyed more than were supplied many times over.

To claim that "Everything else in Kiev's arsenal has been attrited, to the point where the west is scrapping up antique French recon vehicles" is quite an exaggeration.

[Story]

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html

To claim that "Everything else in Kiev's arsenal has been attrited, to the point where the west is scrapping up antique French recon vehicles" is quite an exaggeration.

The simple fact that obsolete western equipment is being sent into the Ukraine in lieu of sticking with reconditioned Eastern equipment shows an attrition rate that's no exaggeration.   

[GTX_Admin]

That statement makes no sense.

[Rickshaw]

The Anoa is a 6x6 armoured personnel carrier developed by PT Pindad of Indonesia. The vehicle is named after the Anoa, which is a type of buffalo indigenous to Indonesia.