Author Topic: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52  (Read 19394 times)

Offline KiwiZac

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Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« on: March 29, 2016, 11:48:56 AM »
Not long after we held the vote to decide the GBs for the year I spotted an Italeri 1/72 Ju52 in the LHS on clearance, and thought "ah-HA!".

It may be re-engined, it may not be German....we shall see!  8)
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2016, 02:58:35 AM »
Interesting...
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2016, 06:23:11 AM »
Oh nice one: that would do well as an AC-47 alternative/equivalent.

I have a Ford Tri-Motor gunship on my to do list...  ;)
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2016, 02:06:32 PM »
Perfect for Batle of Stalingrad. :)

Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2016, 03:13:58 AM »
Oh yeah! With about a half dozen MG-181Z's sticking out the port side.


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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2016, 11:12:11 PM »
sounds like a great idea, why didnt i think of that?  :o
on the other hand, i cant do that one, as i sold my Heller 1/72 Ju52 a while ago.
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2016, 03:10:06 AM »
Oh yeah! With about a half dozen MG-181Z's sticking out the port side.


Chris

I think you might mean MG81Z...

I would perhaps consider a 20mm or even 37mm cannon added in - perhaps a re-use of a ground based weapon if this was a in the field conversion job.  Maybe a PAK36 and/or FLAK38 with their shields etc removed...
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2016, 04:05:18 AM »
All great ideas folks, but as I said up top: it may not be German....
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2016, 02:29:23 AM »
All great ideas folks, but as I said up top: it may not be German....

Bah!!!  We may still copy it as a German idea though...
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2016, 05:48:58 AM »
Oh yeah! With about a half dozen MG-181Z's sticking out the port side.


Chris

I think you might mean MG81Z...

I would perhaps consider a 20mm or even 37mm cannon added in - perhaps a re-use of a ground based weapon if this was a in the field conversion job.  Maybe a PAK36 and/or FLAK38 with their shields etc removed...

Yes! MG-81Z. My bad. I really need to start re-reading my post before entering. My eyesight ain't what it used to was and my typing is worse.


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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2016, 05:43:06 AM »
I'm still in! I just completely forgot...unfortunately progress may not come for a week or two due to the wedding, but stay tuned.
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2016, 04:44:19 PM »
I'll start it tomorrow. I promise!!!  :icon_music:
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2016, 03:51:29 AM »
Zac,

That guy I mentioned to you in PM also offers 1:72nd scale German machine guns if you need some that would be a solution to sourcing your necessary weapons for this project.
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2016, 08:11:00 AM »
Thanks Jeff! I won't be needing his services, however, as this armoury is already complete...
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2016, 12:52:46 PM »
It's actually started! I've started a GB entry!  ;D

A few months back a friend brought round a bunch of kits and finished builds from his youth, and these have been a real help to my whif-type builds. Among them were an old Airfix 40mm Bofors gun (repainted here) and an AC-47 Spooky. So...



I had a bundle of .50cal MGs from an Italeri B-25 so these have been fitted into the windows and will be used for the turrets. As of coming inside for the night I've got the two repainted minigun pods and the Bofors installed on the floor, which has received a wood stain treatment:


Amazingly the Bofors on its platform fits through the side cargo door, so it all works out as a practical design. I toyed with having the door open to show this, but I think it'll be fine as is.

I think I'm also keeping the original engines as it's in keeping with my intended operator but I may proceed with a modernisation plan. I have started painting some of the control surfaces while they're on the sprue but you aren't gonna see them yet - it'll ruin the surprise!
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2016, 08:37:24 PM »
Nice one Zac.

One point: have you weighed up the prop/gun/wing clearance issues? That forward 0.50 cal seems perilously close the wing engine to me, and the one two windows behind it is pretty much lined up with the wingtip. Remember that the wings have considerable dihedral and the wing engines are canted outboard, so the rear edge of the prop arc is considerably behind the front face of the engine.

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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2016, 09:47:29 AM »
A very, very good point - there was a lot of eyeing-up and dry-fitting being done yesterday! My thinking is that the 50cals are either fixed or can only go up from the horizontal, I'm favouring fixed with a bit more of an upward angle. Almost like the ranging guns in some tanks, as well as a token assist for when the bigger ones run out or perhaps a suppressive fire role.

And if it's re-engined then maybe the prop arc will be a little further forward?......
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2016, 09:56:42 AM »
Just a thought: the dorsal gun position is behind any of the windows, but there must be internal access to it for the gunner, so you could plate it over and then cut an extra hole/holes in the side of the rear fuselage to mount some guns in a safe position further back. Don't forget to put a reinforcing plate around the hole.

I was contemplating something similar for a Ford Trimotor gunship (in the former bathroom space (which doesn't have a window) in that instance, but I eventually decided that I needed a different kit.
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2016, 06:34:09 AM »
Don't remember how the layout of the military version goes, but in the civilian version, immediatly aft of the port passenger door there is a structural bulkhead, with a door on the port side leading to a lavatory (from which the beam machine gun in the above illustration fires) but no passing through from there; on the starboard side aft of the aforementioned bulkhead (the lavatory is only half of the width of the plane) there is an access door, aft of which is another bulkhead with the passage to the rear cargo compartment, which is where the gunner's position was built. I'd assume the military versions did away with the lavatory and the partitioning wall between port and starboard side, so there should have been an open passage from the main cabin, and a small space where to stuff loose items or have those two beam gun positions.

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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2016, 09:55:09 AM »
Time for an update! The last 25hr or so was dedicated to an entry for a GB at another site but, with that done, the Junkers is back on the table!


I'm very happy with how it's going. Operator confirmed and re-engining underway...
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2016, 04:37:04 AM »
I can't resist putting up another photo, such is the level of fun and pride I'm having with this build. I'm hopeful to have it finished this weekend.

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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2016, 04:58:16 AM »
Appreciate pictures - thanks.
Like the concept and seeing build progress :)

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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2016, 05:43:09 AM »
Twin engined?
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2016, 07:54:42 AM »
Twin engined. Still more power than the three originals.

Thanks, finsrin!  :-[
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2016, 09:07:31 AM »
Loving the look f the re profiled nose.

Actually gives it somewhat of an amphibian look.
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2016, 09:48:12 AM »
Oh yeah  :-*
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2016, 10:03:13 PM »
Well I wasn't expecting that! Nice one Zac!
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2016, 05:17:33 AM »
 :-[

Time for a teaser! Saturday morning, I'm home alone so this baby is getting on the home straight.



I expect I can finish this this weekend, I did the backstory at work yesterday. Excited to see it done!
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2016, 07:01:06 AM »
I have to say you nailed it Zac!!

I don't like the Ju-52 but with the new nose and inline engines you have converted me.

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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2016, 12:35:22 PM »
 8)

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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2016, 01:06:59 PM »
Looking gooder !
Engine and nose change are major modernization beyond its 1930 roots.  A 1940s version.

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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2016, 01:13:09 PM »
Yes, (on the evil side but) good! ;)

Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2016, 05:27:36 PM »
This is getting really interesting!

And I do wonder about what will happen to that small BD-5... :-*

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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2016, 03:56:02 AM »
Loving the look...even without the guns.
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2016, 07:23:19 AM »
Thanks all! I'm really pleased at how well it's shaping up!

The BD-5? Well...I bought a resin casting kit a few months back...
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2016, 01:14:08 PM »
Done!  ;D

CASA 352M “Miguel”


 
The concept of a surplus transport being converted to a gunship had been proven by the United States Air Force with its Douglas AC-47 in Vietnam, so the Ejército del Aire began plans to create a similar platform based on their CASA 352.L “Pava” transports – licence-built versions of the Luftwaffe’s WW2-era Junkers Ju 52 – for use in their African colonies. Despite official US prohibitions on supplying the EdA with arms and aircraft, several dozen Browning M2 machine guns and a sextet of General Electric M134 podded miniguns were acquired at the request of General Franco.
 
Two of the latter weapon were mounted on either side of the aircraft’s port cabin door, which was removed so that a Bofors 40mm cannon could be fitted – this being installed on rails so that it could be removed through the large cargo door on the other side. Three Brownings were fitted in the fuselage windows firing to port, but fixed with a slight upward and rearward aim so they would not accidentally hit the port engine or wing. For self-defence two Brownings were also mounted in makeshift turrets, one above the cockpit (for the co-pilot) and the other in the rear fuselage (to be used by the Bofors operator).


 
By late 1968 the first converted example was ready for flight trials, however the weight of the weapons and ammunition proved far too much for the three 775hp radial engines to carry. After months of calculations and experiments, mechanics removed the engines and replaced those on the wings with Rolls-Royce Merlin 500-9s from obsolete CASA 2.111 bombers (licence-built Heinkel He 111s) and placed a streamlined fairing on the now-vacant nose mount. The resulting aircraft had significantly more power and flew for the first time on August 18 1969. The flight trials, followed by live-firing tests, were successful and Franco personally gave the go-ahead to convert two further aircraft as CASA 352.Ms – shortly nicknamed “Miguel” by crews – which entered service later in the year.
 
In early 1970 the three Miguels were posted to Africa to support operations there, one example being stationed with forces in Ifni and the others going to Spanish Sahara. However the Ifni aircraft would soon join its brethren in advance of the official handover of that region back to Morocco. By June 16 all three aircraft were based at El-Aaiún, Spanish-decreed capital of the territory.


 
The following day the hitherto-secret liberation movement Harakat Tahrir revealed its existence in a demonstration in El-Aaiún against Spanish rule, attempting to hand over a petition to the Spanish colonial rulers calling for better treatment and Western Sahara's independence. The protest was immediately and bloodily suppressed by the colonial forces.
 
The decision was made to deploy the Miguels to the airspace of Zemla – barely two minutes’ flying time from their base – to provide assistance to ground forces. Each aircraft was fully loaded with fuel and ammunition and the first launched around 1pm. At 1.35pm it began firing sporadically at the crowds below, directed by Police via radio, and at 4.30pm the second aircraft arrived to relieve it. By 7pm this aircraft too returned to base, having expended all its ammunition, and was replaced by the third aircraft.
 


Because of a blackout being imposed on the town by Spanish authorities the crews aboard the third Miguel requested clearance to return to base shortly after sunset, however this was denied by the unit commander and with the use of flares the attacks continued. Around 10pm the first Miguel launched to replace it, but because of the poor ambient light the two aircraft collided and crashed south of the town and all crew members perished. Upon hearing the news the unit commander ordered the surviving aircraft and its crew to stand down and await further orders to use the aircraft, however these never came.
 
The massacre and ensuing disturbances has been named the Zemla Intifada (uprising) after the area of El-Aaiún the demonstration was held. The suppression of the Zemla demonstration pushed the Western Saharan anti-colonial movement into embracing armed struggle. The militant nationalist organization Polisario Front was formed three years later.


 
The final CASA Miguel remained at El-Aaiún’s airport, the weapons and ammunition being taken to fit out base defences and the petrol siphoned by unknown persons. When Spain handed over Spanish Sahara to Morocco in 1975 the airport was taken over in a raid by Polisario guerrillas who, upon discovering the derelict Miguel and recognising its significance, destroyed the aircraft with explosives in celebration.
 
June 17 has been used as a reference day for protests in Western Sahara, including Iluvia de Balas (“Rain of Bullets”) in Zemla which was named for the attacks by the Miguels. EdA records of the Miguels – including names of crews involved in the June 17 operation – were “lost” before the country transitioned to a democracy in 1975 and it is not known what happened to the men.



- Italeri 1/72 Junkers Ju 52/3m 'Tante Ju' plus AC-47 miniguns and B-25 Browning 50cals
- Academy 1/48 Hispano Buchon roundels with a lot of Solvaset/sol
- tail cross from various Italeri Ju52 registration letters
- PM Models 1/72 Focke-Wulf Fw187 engine cowls
- Airfix 1/72 DH Mosquito props and spinners, 1/72 Lancaster exhausts, 1/72 Tiger Moth numbers, 1/76 Bofors 40mm
- finished with Tamiya acrylics
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2016, 02:52:21 PM »
Wow! :-* (for the shape and details, even if I do not like guns, sorry) ;)

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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2016, 03:21:25 PM »
Nicely done Zac - good back story too.  :)
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2016, 04:24:20 PM »
Great build :)  you captured the real deal in styrene.
After reading story, now I remember hearing it (vaguely) on news back at the time.

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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2016, 08:40:16 PM »
What everyone else said Zac! Love the paint job.

I may have missed it but where did you get the new nose from?
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2016, 11:18:12 PM »
Smart finish of an excellent idea there!

I remember doing Italeri's Tante Ju as a kid, and still dread the very concept of applying decals onto corrugated surface - hadn't even heard of decal softeners back then (doubtful if they had been even available in the town I lived in), so just trying to press the decal into the recesses one by one in a race against time before it dried. *shudder*

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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2016, 11:52:16 PM »
Very nice kitbash there Zak    :) :) :)

I know this is a bit late but ---

http://www.kitsforcash.com/casa-2-111d---conversion-for-heinkel-he-111s-169-p.asp

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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2016, 02:16:19 AM »
 :)
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2016, 02:31:10 AM »
Thanks all! I had a blast building this and doing the backstory.

I knew there were conversion sets out there but I had a Spanish plan for the Focke-Wulf but the Mossie props would've been too big, so this was perfect.

The nose cone is from a 1/48 MD500 helicopter - the blank for the exhaust when fitted with IR-suppression gear. What a flukey find!
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2016, 03:09:17 AM »
Very nice Zac.  :)

One of those times when an innacurracy on the part of the kit maker works out to the modeller's advantage,
as in the RW the true built as an airliner version of the Ju 52/3m didn't have the large cargo door on the
stbd. side, the make-all-versions-from-one-basic-set-of-moulds approach used by Italeri means all versions have
the big door.   
;D

As a BTW, the Revell 1/48 Ju 52 airliner is a true airliner as RoG cut new moulds to portray the differences
between the variants: fuselage and lower wing mouldings are different and have the correct layout of doors and
baggage hatches.
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2016, 05:29:26 AM »
Well...if I'd followed the instructions I would've put in the rectangular piece of skin in place of the door! As it happened the door was the perfect size for the gun so the stars aligned nicely for me.
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2016, 09:24:01 AM »
Looks great, mate! 8)


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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2016, 05:44:03 AM »
Great build ... and fantastic backstory  :)
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Re: Spooky-style Junkers Ju52
« Reply #48 on: August 19, 2017, 07:57:47 PM »
Hi from Herman Moore  am from Cape Town South Africa am member of the local IPMS Club.

I am truly interested in your Ju-52 Gunship concept. Unfortunately although I have a photobucket account I am unable to view your Build.

Would it be possible to send them to me via E-MAIL  [klimeid@telkomsa.net]

I would like to do something like this with my Japanese L2D2 [Dak] conversions.

It is such a problem whenever I find a really interesting build on some forums - the pics are not always available.
I would truly appreciate if you would be able to assist me.
Thanks Herman