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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2016, 06:21:14 AM »
None of those three would count for the GB Taiidantomcat, because they have forwar- firing guns. They're basically just heavy attack aircraft that don't do anything tactically different from a conventional fighter-bomber, just more of it.
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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2016, 07:02:08 AM »


Really? 6x 50 Cal?  Field modification or factory gone berserk?
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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2016, 11:22:39 AM »
I have a B-25 in the stash. Empty the bomb bay of all the racks and replace with M-2 50 cals. Maybe a couple more where the side gunners stood. Make it a real side firing gunship were the idea took hold in WW2 instead of Vietnam.

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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2016, 03:27:57 AM »
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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2016, 01:15:26 AM »
Man I still love those P-3 based gunships!!!  Please someone build one this go around  8)
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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2016, 01:36:12 AM »
They would be a sight to see!

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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2016, 09:05:28 AM »
A couple odd thoughts here:

1) A gunship version of the Li-2, a Soviet "mirror" of the AC-47.

2) YB-40 and YB-41 modified for ground attack with additional downward- or sideways- firing guns installed as possible.

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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2016, 08:00:06 PM »
A couple odd thoughts here:

1) A gunship version of the Li-2, a Soviet "mirror" of the AC-47.

2) YB-40 and YB-41 modified for ground attack with additional downward- or sideways- firing guns installed as possible.

There was a Russian bomber fitted with a vast number of downward-firing PPSh-41s in the bomb bay as a ground attack aircraft.
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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2016, 11:41:20 AM »
This thing needs the steam punk treatment very badly...


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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2016, 07:17:09 PM »
This thing needs the steam punk treatment very badly...



What that needs is anti-gravity, then it's be a flying saucer gunship... :)
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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2016, 07:20:19 PM »
A couple odd thoughts here:

1) A gunship version of the Li-2, a Soviet "mirror" of the AC-47.

2) YB-40 and YB-41 modified for ground attack with additional downward- or sideways- firing guns installed as possible.


There was a Russian bomber fitted with a vast number of downward-firing PPSh-41s in the bomb bay as a ground attack aircraft.


Indeed:



***edit to find the image, apparently buried inside of an article on the PPSh-41 so I changed the link to go to the URL instead and if you page down you will see several images that apply to the PPSh-41/Tu-2. -- Jeff

Re-edit - sorry about that folks - my iPad was playing up last night.  Photo now attached.  And to make up for my error, here is another:

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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2016, 07:26:27 PM »
A couple odd thoughts here:

1) A gunship version of the Li-2, a Soviet "mirror" of the AC-47.

2) YB-40 and YB-41 modified for ground attack with additional downward- or sideways- firing guns installed as possible.


There was a Russian bomber fitted with a vast number of downward-firing PPSh-41s in the bomb bay as a ground attack aircraft.


Indeed:




Picture link doesn't work Greg.
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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2016, 11:39:01 PM »
Picture link doesn't work Greg.

Link fixed.  :)
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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2016, 09:05:11 AM »
Short Stirling looks good to be gun ship.
How about that fleet of He-177s US squandered into storage after WW2.  Refitted with 3350 or 4360 and used as SEA gunships !

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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2016, 07:56:57 PM »
I just picked up an HP Dart-Herald for £cheep: that'd make a nice Brits-in'Nam gunship (if I wasn't the moderator...)
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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2016, 03:16:44 AM »
(if I wasn't the moderator...)

Why would that matter?  There is no rule saying Moderators can't participate in GBs...
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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2016, 05:54:24 AM »
(if I wasn't the moderator...)

Why would that matter?  There is no rule saying Moderators can't participate in GBs...

I know, but it feels wrong. Poachers and gamekeepers and all that...
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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2016, 06:17:35 AM »
Harold, you should not feel that way.  I suppose you could enter and just not cast a vote when it comes time to vote on entries or maybe just not vote for your own work.  Entirely up to you but as Greg said, nothing says you as the Group Build Moderator are not allowed to participate. 
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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2016, 06:51:22 PM »
Here's an idea inspired by PantherG's profiles: a Boulton-Paul Defiant gunship.  >:D

Let's say a Defiant user realises that the turret-fighter concept is dead, but they can't afford to just relegate the airframes to target-towing. One thing they might do is take the turret off to save weight, and then re-fit the guns (and maybe more guns) in the same place but fixed to fire sideways (I think downwards is out because of the radiator) for straffing ground targets.

The RAF had an interest in 'beach-straffing' in the days when invasion looked credible, which led to that bizzare Delanne biplane Lysander with a rear turret. The Defiant conversion would be much simpler and probably just as effective. Alternatively, you could sell the Defiant to somebody else (Finland was my favorite, but PantherG has also done a Netherlands profile) and they could do it. The Netherlands home forces wouldn't get much chance to learn lessons and convert planes before they were overrun, but maybe the units in the Far East would, particularly when you consider how the standard Defiant might have fared against the Zero... ???
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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2016, 06:09:10 AM »
Maybe base it on this real world proposal for a cannon armed Defiant with a single 20mm gun:


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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2016, 04:59:17 PM »
Without retractable rear antenna, I would not understand how that would be possible... ;)

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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2016, 02:14:49 AM »
From Wikipedia:

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In 2006, Colombia started operating retrofitted AC-47s, where they are known by civilians as avion fantasma (ghost plane). They are successfully operated by the Colombian Air Force in counter-insurgency operations in conjunction with AH-60 Arpia helicopters (an armed variant of the UH-60) and Cessna A-37 Dragonflys against local illegally armed groups. These are five Basler BT-67s purchased by Colombia with .50 cal (12.7 mm) GAU-19/A machine guns slaved to a forward looking infrared (or FLIR) system. They also have the ability to carry bombs.[3][4] At least one has been seen fitted with one GAU-19/A and a 20 mm cannon, most likely a French made M621. The BT-67 is a variant of the C-47/DC-3 modified by the Basler Corporation of Oshkosh, Wisconsin.









Alley Cat Basler conversion (UK):  http://www.alleycatmodels.co.uk/basler-bt-67-turbo-dakota-conversion-6495-p.asp

Alley Cat Basler AC-47T Fantasma conversion (as above plus guns and sensors): http://www.alleycatmodels.co.uk/basler-ac47t-fantasma-latin-american-af-gunship-bt67-6525-p.asp

Modelwolf Basler Conversion (Germany): http://www.modellwolf.de/conversion/conversion.html

Basler's home site: http://www.baslerturbo.com/military-options.html
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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2016, 03:22:39 AM »
I wonder...a more developed version of the ACH-47...with more sideways firing guns?

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Re: Gunships GB Inspirations Thread
« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2016, 05:45:00 AM »
I wonder...a more developed version of the ACH-47...with more sideways firing guns?



More bolts for the guns it had would have been a start.... >:D

Good idea though. The way they were used in combat was close-up, like any other helicopter gunship, but they were too big and cumbersome for that. You might well imagine them flying circles at night, raining down bullets more like a fixed-wing gunship though, and unlike an AC-130 or similar, they could be based right up near the front line for a quick response time.

Should easily be able to take a couple of 20mm Vulcans and maybe a couple of 7.62mm miniguns too.
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