Author Topic: Arado Ar-234 Blitz and Heinkel He-343 Ideas & Inspiration (Read 22839 times)

GTX_Admin · « **on:** December 11, 2011, 03:13:56 PM »

Hi folks,

This thread is for posting your ideas for Arado Ar-234 Blitz and Heinkel He-343 creations.

To start with, how about this '50s era Ar234F (with the real world Ar-234B-2 included for comparison):

Regards,

Greg

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #1 on:** December 11, 2011, 09:42:33 PM »

One of those things that makes you stop for a moment and ponder the concept. Maybe the next interpretation could see the cockpit located closer to where the wing leading joins the fuselage.

JP Vieira · « **Reply #2 on:** December 11, 2011, 11:44:10 PM »

That is a great idea and opens a lot of possibilities (modernising first generation jets...)

sequoiaranger · « **Reply #3 on:** December 12, 2011, 05:12:01 AM »

Maybe more a customized Do-335 than an Arado 234 whif, it combines several kits (hence the "E Pluribus Unum" statement). The idea is a "Furhermachine" to escape being trapped in Berlin. Hitler gets to sit up front, Goering is in ostensibly the pilot's seat (but with dummy controls), but Hanna Reich is actually flying the plane from the upper cockpit. There are twin Jumo jets on each wing, but the prop in the tail is the "cruising" engine to get them all economically safely to Spain with limited fuel (jets are engaged only when evasion speed is necessary)

sotoolslinger · « **Reply #4 on:** December 12, 2011, 10:05:08 AM »

Tree dude! Sweet concept. May be scale o rama'd the wrong way though.
Here is an old build of mine with Arado engines on a 335 both in 1/48

Here is the bucket
http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh50/sotoolslinger/F-7%20T%20Warthog/
I know different model brands of so called same scale vary wildly but the engines in your profile look too small.
Course it's a whiff so who cares. I know your kind of a stickler though so I thought I would show what Arado engines look like on a 335.
Your profile makes me wish I had put that Arado nose on.

Tophe · « **Reply #5 on:** December 12, 2011, 11:27:45 AM »

Congratulations to both the designer and the modeller!

sequoiaranger · « **Reply #6 on:** December 13, 2011, 01:40:48 AM »

Sotoolslinger,

Quite the monster-brute Do-335 you have there! Not that subtlety was ever your strong point!

If I'm not mistaken, I think I also see a Sotoolslinger Works item in the website's header, over on the right.

>but the engines in your profile look too small.<

The crudely-photoshopped "Mein Flucht" ("My Escape") drawing may be off-scale a bit. It is just a rough-concept sketch. I have the requisite kits I need. I actually hope to have it "rail-launched" with heavy rocket-pack assist (rails and rocket packs courtesy of an old Revell "Snark" kit). The platform steps leading up to the Furher's seat will have the names of (formerly) conquered countries on them, so they can be under Hitler's jackboot one last time before he departs the Germany that let him down. In my backstory, certain critical parts of the launch system are made from slave-labor and deliberately sabotaged, so that after the bungled attempt at escape Hitler is so despondent that he decides on suicide.

dy031101 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 13, 2011, 02:13:12 AM »

Since the Ar 234C is a better bomber...... what of the surplus earlier model?

BadersBusCompany · « **Reply #8 on:** December 13, 2011, 05:00:57 AM »

Intrigued by the initial post, and thought I'd have a play with it. I took a slice out of the fuselage and deepened the spine a little. I like the shortened engine pods, so retained them.

Jeremak · « **Reply #9 on:** December 13, 2011, 06:13:40 AM »

I think, that it would look better with longer engine pods. Also, engines shuld be "glued" to the fuselage, something like Alpha Jet. Also, give it a wider wing, for more load.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #10 on:** December 13, 2011, 05:39:01 PM »

Different! The engines are actually supposed to be advanced Heinkel HeS 011 variants. The basic idea was for an Ar234 variant something along the lines of a B-57B or Canberra B(I)8 - i.e. an interdictor variant with cannon belly pack.

I like your sleeker version too.

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #11 on:** December 13, 2011, 05:40:35 PM »

Whilst on the theme of Ar-234s based upon the B-57, how about a version based upon the RB-57F?

Regards,

Greg

BadersBusCompany · « **Reply #12 on:** December 13, 2011, 07:35:21 PM »

Whilst messing about with the line drawing, I couldnt help thinking about Clunks and Pucaras

. I reckon if you messed too much with the original idea it would morph into a Clunk/Cranberry.

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #13 on:** December 22, 2011, 02:34:20 AM »

I have had this idea for a while concerning the Ar-234 that involves folding wings and a tail hook for a naval aircraft to use aboard an aircraft carrier. Colors and markings as yet to be determined.

Quote from: BadersBusCompany on December 13, 2011, 07:35:21 PM

Whilst messing about with the line drawing, I couldnt help thinking about Clunks and Pucaras . I reckon if you messed too much with the original idea it would morph into a Clunk/Cranberry.

What would be interesting to see is a Canberra with the engines mounted up against the fuselage. I suppose that would create an issue on where to place the main landing gear. Maybe give it tandem gear like the B-47 and Vatour? With outrigger wheels somewhere near the wing tips?

finsrin · « **Reply #14 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:01:02 PM »

You guys at this site got the ideas. Proposed 234 variants and Marine one are great. Marine one is my kinda bashing. Agree on the 234's, have 1/72 kits of different brands and fuselage width varies. Cut one up and am using it building a bash right now.

Bill

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #15 on:** December 28, 2011, 04:20:27 PM »

Long range, high altitude Ar-234R-2/U-2 recon with rocket motor for high altitude climb and boost:

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #16 on:** December 28, 2011, 04:21:15 PM »

How about a piston engined version?

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #17 on:** December 28, 2011, 04:23:14 PM »

Something I quickly put together - an Ar234 with scaled up outer wings from a Me262:

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #18 on:** December 28, 2011, 04:24:30 PM »

Crude, but you get the point:

finsrin · « **Reply #19 on:** December 29, 2011, 09:29:46 AM »

Super ideas and illustrations.
For eight engine version might use 1/48 twin engine kit and mount four twin engine pods from 1/72 kits.
Maybe engines would look to small.
Or -- 1/48 four engine kit with outer wing mount of twin engine pods from 1/72 kits

What do you use to make the illustrations ?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #20 on:** March 20, 2014, 01:06:09 PM »

Thread revival! What about some Ar234s operating alongside the post war Me262s with the Czechoslovak Air Force?

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #21 on:** March 20, 2014, 05:43:53 PM »

A past / future contribution. Started this in 2012.

With Ar-240 wings:

PR19_Kit · « **Reply #22 on:** March 20, 2014, 07:07:58 PM »

Quote from: The Big Gimper on March 20, 2014, 05:43:53 PM

A past / future contribution. Started this is 2012.

With Ar-240 wings:

Oh YES! That looks brilliant! :)

apophenia · « **Reply #23 on:** March 21, 2014, 09:40:01 AM »

Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 20, 2014, 07:07:58 PM

Oh YES! That looks brilliant! :)

It does indeed. And you've kept the kitbashing 'in the family' :) Will this be an Ar-240 style taildragger?

finsrin · « **Reply #24 on:** March 21, 2014, 11:46:22 AM »

Looks to be at least Luft 45. 46 will do too. :)
And illustrations by Greg are inspiring.

Frank3k · « **Reply #25 on:** March 21, 2014, 12:28:03 PM »

Model-wise, the Ar-234 family is well represented by the Dragon offerings in 1/72 and so-so in 1/48 (Hobbycraft and Hasegawa).
The He-343 is represented by a pretty nice AirModel 1/72 vac (with resin bits) and a Special Hobby 1/72 resin kit.

I don't know who made this, but it's beautiful; it's one of my favorite whiffs: The Aeroflot "Octa" in 1/144 made from a 1/72? Ar 234C:

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,5054.msg63350.html#msg63350

arkon · « **Reply #26 on:** March 21, 2014, 01:32:11 PM »

nice lookin plane ya got there BG!

finsrin · « **Reply #27 on:** March 21, 2014, 01:40:37 PM »

Yes - well represented in various versions :)
Vintage 1/72 Lindberg 234 is nose of Slowy Jet. Cross section with fuselage was good match.
Lindberg kits are around too. Of course not quality of current kits.

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #28 on:** March 21, 2014, 06:00:24 PM »

Quote from: apophenia on March 21, 2014, 09:40:01 AM

Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 20, 2014, 07:07:58 PM
Oh YES! That looks brilliant! :)

It does indeed. And you've kept the kitbashing 'in the family' :) Will this be an Ar-240 style taildragger?

This one will not be but I have three more Ar 234's mash-ups of which two will be tail draggers. Once I get organized, I will post pictures of what they should look like.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #29 on:** April 05, 2014, 04:46:01 AM »

Random Idea: Post War Ar-234 in Soviet Service

jcf · « **Reply #30 on:** April 05, 2014, 05:26:01 AM »

... with Derwents or Nenes?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #31 on:** April 05, 2014, 05:35:26 AM »

I was originally thinking simply Klimov RD-10s (i.e. Jumo 004s). Basically, a squadron or two manufactured from remaining airframes or even new built and put into service immediately after WWII. Maybe serving for a couple of years at most alongside fighters such as the MiG-9 and Yak-15.

Volkodav · « **Reply #32 on:** April 05, 2014, 11:34:21 AM »

Looks really good, how about Turkish attack bomber version, built by Czech and used in Korea, or an Israeli version of same?

maxmwill · « **Reply #33 on:** March 29, 2015, 12:44:42 AM »

How about the Egyptions flying 234s re-engined with Nenes, in the May, 1948 conflict, with the Israelis flying captured He162s?

Spey Phantom · « **Reply #34 on:** April 01, 2015, 01:10:50 AM »

after reading a topic on a scale-o-rama airliner version of an Me262 over on the other forum, i remembered a project i was working on on paper (and still am) of a 1/72 airliner version of a 1/48 scale Ar234, would work better with a 1/32 version.

at first the plan was to build a propellor driven version, powered by 2 Junkers Jumo.022 turboprop engines.
but in this rough sketch, i decided to go with 4 Heinkel HeS.011 jet engines. the nose/cockpit section needs work, but this would be the general layout plan.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #35 on:** April 01, 2015, 02:42:11 AM »

Where do you put the fuel? Note this cutaway drawing to illustrate what I mean:

jcf · « **Reply #36 on:** April 01, 2015, 03:12:50 AM »

Working in 1/32 gives a lot more room to play with, and fictional wing tankage would be doable.

Spey Phantom · « **Reply #37 on:** April 01, 2015, 04:12:07 AM »

i was thinking of using tanks in the wings, and use the outer buldges for the main landing gear. i would also use a shoter but beefed up nosewheel. i could also put a belly tank in it, similar to the EE Lightning

finsrin · « **Reply #38 on:** April 01, 2015, 06:52:54 AM »

Geeeee,,, looked on Ebay and found there is a 1/32 kit.
Was new to me. Put that on nice-to-have list for 1/72 build.
I calculate approx 93ft 4in as 1/72. Near B-29 length of 99ft.
Greg --- is 62ft 3in as 1/48. You can build bigger badder Luft 46 version.

Logan Hartke · « **Reply #39 on:** January 20, 2016, 05:52:33 AM »

This close up shot of an early Heinkel He 111 and the open spinner made my brain think it was a jet at first. It makes one think about the viability of a high-wing jet He 111.

Cheers,

Logan