Supermarine Spitfire Family

[apophenia]

My response to turboprop Spitfires ... https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg195226#msg195226

[perttime]

My response to turboprop Spitfires ... https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg195226#msg195226

The Spiteful and Seafang fuselages had the cockpit raised a little, which might improve visibility.

[kitnut617]

My response to turboprop Spitfires ... https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg195226#msg195226

The Spiteful and Seafang fuselages had the cockpit raised a little, which might improve visibility.

I've always wondered why Supermarine didn't use the Spiteful fuselage on the Spitfire instead of messing around with the F.23 like they did.

[perttime]

I think the Airfix 1:48 Seafire 47comes with some extra wing bits. Does anybody produce a 1:48 Seafang or Spiteful?

[kitnut617]

I think the Airfix 1:48 Seafire 47comes with some extra wing bits. Does anybody produce a 1:48 Seafang or Spiteful?

Trumpeter does, I've got them in my stash (part of the very few 1/48 kits I have)

[apophenia]

I've always wondered why Supermarine didn't use the Spiteful fuselage on the Spitfire instead of messing around with the F.23 like they did.

Agreed. A Spiteful fuselage with F.22 wings would've got Supermarine to a better place quicker than them faffing about with the 'Vickers Valiant'.

Love your hybrid build! I had an early-war whack at the Spiteful-with-Spitfire-wings concept. And, it turns out, that was almost a decade ago ... 

-- https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg30920#msg30920

[kitnut617]

My Seafire 45 hybrid is based on a Mk.21 but with the Spiteful tail group.

[perttime]

Paul Bonhomme on Flying Spitfire FR XIV:

https://vintageaviationecho.com/spitfire-mkxiv-mv293/

[The Big Gimper]

January 2023 Update.

The complete list of current two-seat Spitfires.

Airworthy
1. MT818 Airworthy operated by Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar
2. MJ627 Airworthy operated by Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar
3. MJ772 Airworthy now lives at the Royal Netherlands Historic Flight foundation.
4. ML407 Airworthy operated by Ultimate Warbird Flights
5. PV202 Airworthy operated by Aerial Collective
6. TE308 Airworthy operated by Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar
7. PT462 Airworthy operated by Aerial Collective 
8. MH367 Airworthy operated by Warbird Adventure Rides
9. SM520 Airworthy operated by Spitfires.com
10. NH341 Airworthy operated by Aero Legends
11. ML295  Airworthy restored at Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar
12. BS410 Owned by Martin Philips. Operated by @Spitfire

Non airworthy
13. EN570 Being restored for Norwegian Flying Aces 
14. MJ444 Being restored for Aero Legends
15. BS548  Being restored by Aircraft Restoration Company  for Ross Pay.
16. TE566  Being restored by Airframe Assemblies Ltd  for Enstone.
17. A T9 being restored for Aerial Collective at ARCo.

There are at least three other aircraft that are proposed but until they get off of the drawing board then I'll leave them off of the public list.

[The Big Gimper]

[GTX_Admin]

Different drop tanks - look like US ones.

[elmayerle]

Kind of a retro-idea, Soviet Lend-lease Spitfire re-engined with a suitable Soviet engine that would be better adapted to the Soviet fuels and lubricants.

[The Big Gimper]

Different drop tanks - look like US ones.

Yes. They are US 75 Gal tanks.

Build, display, take flak from the JMNs. Then their heads will explode when you correct them! 

[GTX_Admin]

Kind of a retro-idea, Soviet Lend-lease Spitfire re-engined with a suitable Soviet engine that would be better adapted to the Soviet fuels and lubricants.

I presume the most likely candidate would be the Klimov M-105.

[Jeffry Fontaine]

(Image sourece: YouTube > Rex's Hanger > The Twelve-Gun "Twin-Engine Spitfires")

Click on image above or html below to watch video. 

YouTube > Rex's Hanger > The Twelve-Gun "Twin-Engine Spitfires" | Supermarine 324, 325, 327

[GTX_Admin]

What about a French Spitfire development with a Hispano-Suiza 12Y engine instead of the Merlin?  One advantage of this might be that it could be fitted with an engine mounted 20 mm Hispano-Suiza cannon.  Perhaps have it based upon the Mk.1 Spitfire?

[perttime]

What about a French Spitfire development with a Hispano-Suiza 12Y engine instead of the Merlin?  One advantage of this might be that it could be fitted with an engine mounted 20 mm Hispano-Suiza cannon.  Perhaps have it based upon the Mk.1 Spitfire?

Take the nose from a Dewoitine D.520 (somewhat sleek) or Morane-Saulnier M.S.406 (a bit lumpy).

[apophenia]

Take the nose from a Dewoitine D.520 ...

Yup    -- https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg213816#msg213816

[The Big Gimper]

[perttime]

^ I wonder how they ended up using the same name of the design that we usually identify as Spitfire. Type 224 was quite different.

[apophenia]

Cool document 

^ I wonder how they ended up using the same name of the design that we usually identify as Spitfire. Type 224 was quite different.

The name suggestion came from the Chairman of Vickers (Aviation) Ltd., Robert McLean. Reportedly, R.J. Mitchell disliked this appellation and it was dropped from use for the Type 225. However, Sir Robert was in a position to reassert his name preference for the Type 300 ... by which time Mitchell was probably too ill to continue his objections.

[robunos]

Cool document 

^ I wonder how they ended up using the same name of the design that we usually identify as Spitfire. Type 224 was quite different.

The name suggestion came from the Chairman of Vickers (Aviation) Ltd., Robert McLean. Reportedly, R.J. Mitchell disliked this appellation and it was dropped from use for the Type 225. However, Sir Robert was in a position to reassert his name preference for the Type 300 ... by which time Mitchell was probably too ill to continue his objections.

Also, as I understand from what I've read, at this time, a name could be proposed, but would not be adopted by the RAF until a production order was placed, or was expected to be placed . . .
Also, I've also read, somewhere, that when the 'real' Spitfire was named, Mitchell's response was 'that's the sort of bl**dy stupid name they would give it', or words to that effect . . .



cheers,
Robin.

[raafif]

I'm sure they felt the same about the Fairey "Flycatcher" ... but I'm also sure that it did catch quite a few flies & other insects on its windscreen