Author Topic: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas  (Read 178511 times)

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #150 on: March 28, 2014, 06:09:58 PM »
Wow. That's cool.

How would Bitching Betty deal with those flight orientations?

"Backwards! Backwards!"  or "Pull down! Pull down!"
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #151 on: March 28, 2014, 09:15:32 PM »
In Chinese no less ------ hmm     ::)

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #152 on: March 28, 2014, 09:55:13 PM »
In Chinese no less ------ hmm     ::)

Yes they have already produced a copy but those nasty American companies wont sell the metallurgical tech so they don't work, time for some more industrial espionage.  :icon_ninja:

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #153 on: March 30, 2014, 06:39:23 AM »
In Chinese no less ------ hmm     ::)

Yes they have already produced a copy but those nasty American companies wont sell the metallurgical tech so they don't work, time for some more industrial espionage.  :icon_ninja:

The last 20 seconds are in Japanese.  And the Chinese is in traditional (Taiwan) rather than simplified (Mainland).

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #154 on: March 30, 2014, 07:09:25 AM »
And also the Diverterless Supersonic Intake:



That just has to be taken from the X-32 set-up, looks just like it.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #155 on: March 30, 2014, 09:21:51 AM »
More like the X-32 was taken from it as this modification to the testbed F-16 was done back in the late 1990's. 

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #156 on: March 30, 2014, 10:05:33 AM »
Well, here's two build ideas...

1. QUICK & DIRTY:
-Add rails on doors like Aircraft #2 in Greg's prior post--maybe LAU-12x-series with BOL dispensers.
-Shove an F110-GE-X or F100-PW-229A/232 up its backside. (-X is a GE demonstrator variant, putting out 36,500# thrust in Zone 5; PW-229A/232 are both 32,500#.) Definitely needs an AVEN/LOAN hybrid.
-Build on an E/F or a Sufa, with both spine and CFT's.
-Diverterless supersonic inlet.
-Wide Angle Raster HUD?

2. SPARE NO EXPENSE:
-As per Q&D, but:
-Start with a Sufa.
-Modify to an XL config, including stretching spine and CFT's.
-BOL dispensers on all AMRAAM rails including wingtips--or maybe the dual-rail-plus-ECM-pod setup that IIRC Greg posted in another thread I can't find ATM.
-Cram the most powerful engine that'll fit up its arse.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #157 on: March 30, 2014, 02:30:15 PM »
Blend the fuselage into the diverterless supersonic inlet and use the extra volume in place of or in addition to the CFTs.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #158 on: March 30, 2014, 02:38:50 PM »
My vote would be "in addition"--if we go with F110-GE-X there's power to spare anyway, and if we can get even more power we can improve the P/W ratio even with the creep of added gear. Even an engine with equal power but less weight will help move the P/W curve in the right direction...

BTW, does anybody remember where that "dually plus pod" tip was posted? I thought it was something for the AIDC Ching-Kuo and it's something I'm considering for my "F-15 revamped" builds, but I can't seem to find it again to even start looking for ideas.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2014, 03:00:53 PM by Diamondback »

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #159 on: March 30, 2014, 10:03:47 PM »
More like the X-32 was taken from it as this modification to the testbed F-16 was done back in the late 1990's.

Now that's interesting Evan, didn't know that ---

Was it developed with the new XF-X in mind then ?

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #160 on: March 30, 2014, 10:26:40 PM »
Well, here's two build ideas...

1. QUICK & DIRTY:
-Add rails on doors like Aircraft #2 in Greg's prior post--maybe LAU-12x-series with BOL dispensers.
-Shove an F110-GE-X or F100-PW-229A/232 up its backside. (-X is a GE demonstrator variant, putting out 36,500# thrust in Zone 5; PW-229A/232 are both 32,500#.) Definitely needs an AVEN/LOAN hybrid.
-Build on an E/F or a Sufa, with both spine and CFT's.
-Diverterless supersonic inlet.
-Wide Angle Raster HUD?

2. SPARE NO EXPENSE:
-As per Q&D, but:
-Start with a Sufa.
-Modify to an XL config, including stretching spine and CFT's.
-BOL dispensers on all AMRAAM rails including wingtips--or maybe the dual-rail-plus-ECM-pod setup that IIRC Greg posted in another thread I can't find ATM.
-Cram the most powerful engine that'll fit up its arse.
For "Spare no Expense", go with the advanced option offered the UAE that has a wing very similar to the F-22's and the F-16XL's conformal semi-submerged carriage of four AMRAAMs or equivalent plus wing hardpoints (six, in total, if I remember the illustrations correctly).

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #161 on: March 30, 2014, 10:43:00 PM »
More like the X-32 was taken from it as this modification to the testbed F-16 was done back in the late 1990's.

Now that's interesting Evan, didn't know that ---

Was it developed with the new XF-X in mind then ?
The FSD F-16 that was flown with canards was used for years as an R&D testbed.  It's final role was as a testbed for a variety of JSF technologies including the diverterless inlet.

BTW, that picture above was taken, I believe, from a flight hanger along the eastern edge of the plant here, looking east across the Carswell Field main runway; I recognize the buildings in the background.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #162 on: April 01, 2014, 06:48:26 AM »
More like the X-32 was taken from it as this modification to the testbed F-16 was done back in the late 1990's.

Now that's interesting Evan, didn't know that ---

Was it developed with the new XF-X in mind then ?

Actually, it was modified by Lockheed to test the F-35's diverterless intakes back in 1996. I need to go back and finish my F-16 profile drawing sometime, I did draw that intake for it too.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #163 on: May 17, 2014, 03:16:48 AM »
Something different:  Iraqi F-16

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #164 on: May 17, 2014, 04:46:13 AM »
Look Ma!  No Pilot!

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #165 on: May 17, 2014, 04:51:06 AM »
I like the colourful drones :D :)

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #166 on: May 17, 2014, 09:57:22 AM »
Bah.  Did mine 10 years ago.  I was close!

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #167 on: May 18, 2014, 03:34:55 AM »
But your's is too pretty to shoot down... ;)
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #168 on: June 15, 2014, 04:25:01 AM »
Random F-16 inspiration thanks to Chris Cooper:













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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #169 on: August 21, 2014, 07:06:17 AM »
Boy oh boy..seeing the resin mockup of the new Kinetic F-16XL made me immediately think Swedish and digital green cammo.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #171 on: October 31, 2014, 07:08:16 AM »
http://www.f-16.net/g3/var/resizes/artwork/album221/Block%2070.jpg?m=1371937053

F-16D Block52 fuselage (maybe use two spliced together to get the same length as the F-16XL, cockpit, spine, and vertical tail, canards off a YF-16CCV, AFTI-16, or FSX, kit, and wings off a YF-22 as a starting point; though if Kinetic does a 2-seat F-16XL, that would work just as well (and, yes, Greg, there was at least one 1/48 kit of a YF-16CCV produced - Taiwanese manufacturer, IIRC).

I wonder if this would have the conformal carriage of AMRAAMs as on the extreme UAE proposal (or like the Sparrows on the F-16XL)?
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #173 on: November 02, 2014, 02:44:24 AM »
(and, yes, Greg, there was at least one 1/48 kit of a YF-16CCV produced - Taiwanese manufacturer, IIRC).



I have seen two:

Zhengdefu:



Kiddyland:


Kiddyland also offer the F-16/79 in 1/48:

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #174 on: November 02, 2014, 03:36:05 AM »
I've got the Kiddyland one in the remote southern storage.  Never saw the F-16/J79, though; if I run across one, I'd definitely want it.

In 1/72 I've got a few of the F-16CCV, an AFTI-16 conversion kit, and a Hasegawa FSX kit from when it was thought the FSX (later F-2A/B) would use them.