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Offline taiidantomcat

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2013, 01:12:00 AM »




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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2013, 03:57:28 AM »
Very nice pics tdt, the pics downsize perfectly on this forum but not on What-If forum.  What's that little vehicle in the background in the second pic, looks like some kinda Dodge with a very short box.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2013, 11:14:38 AM »
kit': That 'Bobtail' is a Chevrolet chassis and cab. The USAF call it a 'Flight-Line Tow Tractor" (sometimes with 'Aerospace-Ground Equipment' spliced in). The maker (NMC-Wollard) calls it a Model BT'. http://www.nmc-wollard.com/specsheets/BobTail-7-12-Sml.pdf
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #78 on: January 06, 2013, 04:28:36 PM »
dang! did not evan notice the little truck or that its the thunderbirds lined up in the back!
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2013, 12:14:09 AM »
Thanks for that Ap', now somewhere I've seen a Chevy truck in 1/72, diecast I think, and what with the ground equipment Aircraft in Miniature does, we could have an addition to the display some time in the future.  That's when I get the display cabinet done of course ----  ;D

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2013, 08:14:25 AM »
This thread over on secretprojects has a lot of potential for wiffery. It has lots of proposals which eventually lead to the f16. Some show the family lineage, others less so. Like the slightly JSF variant with lovely curved ogival wings :)

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1335.0.html


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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #81 on: January 20, 2013, 07:05:36 AM »
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #82 on: January 20, 2013, 07:11:12 AM »
Pretty!  :-*

I'd soooo love to see Monogram release their F-16XL again, warts and all.
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Offline Daryl J.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #83 on: January 20, 2013, 07:25:10 AM »
With the current island dispute between Japan and China, I can see a peacekeeping scenario where Mitsubishi F-2A's and B's and  Chengdu J-10B's and S's are flown by observer/peacekeeper personnel say Norwegians, Danes, Indians, Kiwis, and Aussies.   

And that is sort of F-16-ish. 

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #84 on: January 27, 2013, 11:05:19 PM »




As a huge fan of the F-16XL design and its capabilities I love this!!
Any chance of adding a couple of the conformal fuel tanks along the fuselage to go along with that new dorsal spine housing??

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #85 on: March 08, 2013, 07:17:24 AM »
A long time ago, my Kung Fu master said to me: Grasshopper, have patience, wait a long time, wait quietly and eBay will provide a 1/72 Monogram F-16XL at a good price.  But that does not excuse you from trying to snatch the tube of glue from my hand.  The glue I did not get.

But I finally snagged a F-16XL and here is what I want to. But I need to defer to the those who are more knowledgeable with the F-16 than I am:
  • CMK F-16C Conformal Fuel Tanks
  • Airwaves Israeli  F-16N Avionic Spine
  • F-18 APG-65 Big Nose Radome
  • Move the landing gear out to crank and use 4 wheel boogies to be taken from a 1/144 Tu-95
Will the Airwaves and CMK pieces fit on the XL? Does anyone have a F-18 nose they are willing to part with?

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« Last Edit: March 08, 2013, 07:33:57 AM by The Big Gimper »
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Offline Daryl J.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #86 on: March 08, 2013, 07:35:36 AM »
While not exactly a F-16, the ROKAF T-50 would look great in Aggressor/Adversary paint. 
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #87 on: March 08, 2013, 08:04:37 AM »
Gimper, the XL has its tail chopped off and a plug spliced in (which pitches the rear up a few degrees from standard as well), so you'd probably have to adjust the spie and CFT's accordingly.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #88 on: March 08, 2013, 08:51:09 AM »
A long time ago, my Kung Fu master said to me: Grasshopper, have patience, wait a long time, wait quietly and eBay will provide a 1/72 Monogram F-16XL at a good price.  But that does not excuse you from trying to snatch the tube of glue from my hand.  The glue I did not get.

But I finally snagged a F-16XL and here is what I want to. But I need to defer to the those who are more knowledgeable with the F-16 than I am:
  • CMK F-16C Conformal Fuel Tanks
  • Airwaves Israeli  F-16N Avionic Spine
  • F-18 APG-65 Big Nose Radome
  • Move the landing gear out to crank and use 4 wheel boogies to be taken from a 1/144 Tu-95
Will the Airwaves and CMK pieces fit on the XL? Does anyone have a F-18 nose they are willing to part with?

Comments?
Well, first of all, you've going to have to adjust the spine, no matter what.  The spine is applied to two-seaters only in RL and the Monogram kit is a single-seater.  On top of that, the F-16XL is, as Diamondback stated, stretched over the stock F-16 and will need adjustment accordingly there, too.  The CFT's are designed to settle over the wing-fuselage join and would need stretching and adjustment to fit the F-16XL.  The big nose radar is possible, but there are other, less extreme, options to getting the same radar performance (it depends on the time period you're looking at).  Are you looking to move the landing gear from the fuselage to the wing or just modify the landing gear to use 4-wheel boogies on each side?

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #89 on: March 08, 2013, 10:56:02 AM »
A long time ago, my Kung Fu master said to me: Grasshopper, have patience, wait a long time, wait quietly and eBay will provide a 1/72 Monogram F-16XL at a good price.  But that does not excuse you from trying to snatch the tube of glue from my hand.  The glue I did not get.

But I finally snagged a F-16XL and here is what I want to. But I need to defer to the those who are more knowledgeable with the F-16 than I am:
  • CMK F-16C Conformal Fuel Tanks
  • Airwaves Israeli  F-16N Avionic Spine
  • F-18 APG-65 Big Nose Radome
  • Move the landing gear out to crank and use 4 wheel boogies to be taken from a 1/144 Tu-95
Will the Airwaves and CMK pieces fit on the XL? Does anyone have a F-18 nose they are willing to part with?

Comments?
Well, first of all, you've going to have to adjust the spine, no matter what.  The spine is applied to two-seaters only in RL and the Monogram kit is a single-seater.  On top of that, the F-16XL is, as Diamondback stated, stretched over the stock F-16 and will need adjustment accordingly there, too.  The CFT's are designed to settle over the wing-fuselage join and would need stretching and adjustment to fit the F-16XL.  The big nose radar is possible, but there are other, less extreme, options to getting the same radar performance (it depends on the time period you're looking at).  Are you looking to move the landing gear from the fuselage to the wing or just modify the landing gear to use 4-wheel boogies on each side?

If I understand all the comments, the spine will be short and will need to be extended.
The CFT will also on the short side. Add a splice in the middle? Or leave as is and re-contour?
The landing gear will be moved out to the wing with pods to store them in. Wider stance. This I think will allow me to squeeze in an extra pylon / station. Think of a Garry Anderson design.  It is a Carl thing.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #90 on: March 08, 2013, 11:09:20 AM »
I'd splice and stretch the CFT's.  Relocating the MLG should get interesting but would help with ground handling.  You might want to try running the MLG fairing for the gear back to split the flaps with a pointed end similar to the existing fairings between flaps and ailerons or just end the fairing in front of the flap as the housing for the flap actuator.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2013, 04:55:50 PM »
Has anyone tried modelling a F-16 J-79?

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #92 on: March 18, 2013, 07:38:03 PM »
How about a retro one, i.e. make it look as iif it had been designed in the 1950s?

Some possibilities:

Conventional 3-piece windscreen plus canopy (F-86?)(Scaleorama?)

Replace the multi-petal nozzle with a plain tapered tube which looks like part of the fuselage, with a plain jet pipe inside it.

Replace the front third of the radome with a small conical one (F-104?) and then scribe/blend/paint the rest of it to look like fuselage structure.

Replace the ventral fins and arrestor hook with a single tapering long-chord fin.

Remove all "high-tech" electronics bulges/aerials.

Paint it BMF as though it's made from aluminium, not carbon-fibre.

Call it the Convair F-116, as though it's part of the Century series.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #93 on: March 19, 2013, 01:58:16 AM »
I like your thinking.
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Offline Daryl J.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #94 on: March 19, 2013, 02:07:04 AM »
The Vought V-526 approaches that idea.  It looks really good, and your ideas would make it look great!
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #95 on: March 19, 2013, 02:17:11 AM »
Has anyone tried modelling a F-16 J-79?
I've looked at it.  The fairing for the smaller-diameter exhaust nozzle is easy and the nozzle itself is readily available.  ISTR that the inlet was reduced in size to match the engine airflow requirements, but I don't know exactly how that was done.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #96 on: March 23, 2013, 11:27:59 PM »
 Mitsubishi F-2A with a wing planform similar to the Suchoi T-10 prototype.   I like ogival wings.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #97 on: March 24, 2013, 03:14:21 AM »
Like these:

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #98 on: March 24, 2013, 03:27:58 AM »
Has anyone tried modelling a F-16 J-79?
I've looked at it.  The fairing for the smaller-diameter exhaust nozzle is easy and the nozzle itself is readily available.  ISTR that the inlet was reduced in size to match the engine airflow requirements, but I don't know exactly how that was done.

Info I have found:

"Since the J79 engine required a lower airflow than did the F100 turbofan used on all production F-16A/B's, the shape of the air intake was altered. Only external difference between the original, modular designed (and thus easily replaceable) intake section and the new one is the lengthened upper surface of the intake, which extends much further forward, making it an obvious recognition feature. "
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Offline Daryl J.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #99 on: March 24, 2013, 05:00:35 AM »
Yes, that T-10.  :)
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