McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration

[GTX_Admin]

Speaking of Eagle Designs and Phantom parts... are the things in the middle of this Kurnass 2000 conversion set the same as the pylon-mounted chaff dispensers on F-4E/F/G?

Given the description given for the conversion is "EXTERNAL IFR PROBE, NEW INSTRUMENT PANELS, ECMs, IRCMs AND UNDERFUSELAGE PYLON FOR AIM-9" they may well be.  I assume you refer to these:



You can see some on the rear of the pylons in this photo if you look closely:



Whether they are exactly the same type or just a similar system in a similar location is hard to tell.  Will try to do some research.

I hope this helps.

[Diamondback]

Greg, that's them--a while back someone had suggested refitting those onto the pylons of an F-15 for extra countermeasures capability, and I REALLY didn't wanna have to scrap one to one-and-a-half Hasegawa Phantoms just to get 'em.

[ChernayaAkula]

Was the short nose Phantom able to carry three gun pods along with the usual two wing tanks and some Sidewinders?  <...>

If you're talking about the 20mm gun pods, then no, I don't think so. The gun pods under the wings went in place of the tanks. Weight wouldn't be that much of a problem, but I guess you'd run into a clearance issue with the undercarriage if you tried to fit them on the inner wing stations. EDIT: see a few posts below

You could, however, have a couple of 7.62mm Minigun pods. Here's one with FIFTEEN of them!  Don't know whether it was just for show or a serious load-out, though.



"PHANTOMS Forever" (what was he thinking? The correct spelling is obviously Phantoms Phorever! ) by Robert F. Dorr has two pics of AFRES F-4Ds with GPU-5 30mm gun pods on the centre-lines. Wicked cool!

[Weaver]

Jeeeeeeeez - I think that's the first thing I've ever seen that justifies the phrase "enough Dakka"..... 

[kitnut617]

You could, however, have a couple of 7.62mm Minigun pods. Here's one with FIFTEEN of them!  Don't know whether it was just for show or a serious load-out, though.

I guess where the caption says '4485 Test Sqdn. (Yes they work)' might give the clue that they were at least tested  -----   

[The Big Gimper]

You could, however, have a couple of 7.62mm Minigun pods. Here's one with FIFTEEN of them!  Don't know whether it was just for show or a serious load-out, though.

I guess where the caption says '4485 Test Sqdn. (Yes they work)' might give the clue that they were at least tested  -----   

This configuration was done during a BAD day. BAD being an acroymn for Bored Armorers Day.   

[GTX_Admin]

I thought it was a tribute for Saint Barbara's Day...

[Rickshaw]

I wonder what the combined recoil would have been?

[Litvyak]

Well you won't soon run out of ammo...

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Another member of club shred, courtesy of the Kansas Air National Guard and a hasty search on Google:


(Original image source is obscured in a forum called AR15.com)


Moritz, the F-4C aircraft in your image is from one of the first blocks of USAF F-4C Phantoms.  It has the F-4B type inboard stores pylons that require an adapter bar to mount any sort of ordnance since the original pylon was designed to launch the AIM-7 Sparrow AAM. 

[ChernayaAkula]

^ Well, whaddayaknow! I was about to say that the above load-out only works on the ground (due to the length of the pods interfering with the retraction of the undercarriage), but I've found a pic in a thread over on ARC (LINK) displaying an F-4 with an SUU-23 pod with a shortened end cap to allow clearance of the undercarriage doors.


Caption reads:
A prettily painted SUU-23/A awaits a 'William Tell' shoot strapped to the starboard inboard pylon of a Happy Hooligans F-4D at Tyndall ADWC, Florida. The pods were usually carried on a rigid centreline mounting to reduce shell dispersion, but this inner-wing arrangement was adopted when the Phantoms acquired a new Fletcher/McDD Tulsa centreline fuel tank fit. Note also the 'blunt' rear fairing to the gun pod, which ensures adequate clearance for the Phantom's main undercarriage (Mil-Slides)
From Airborne Weapons of the West by Anthony M. Thornborough.

Okay, then, Daryl! Fire away!  :)

[GTX_Admin]

Another member of club shred, courtesy of the Kansas Air National Guard and a hasty search on Google:

Wicked!!!

[elmayerle]

Hmm, fit those on a F-4E and still have the centerline pylon for a fuel tank (which you'll need with that much drag).  Still, 'twould make an interesting companion to my "Gunslinger" A-10 with two GAU-5's in addition to the main gun.

[Daryl J.]

IIRC, the 1:48 Monogram F-5E and F-4C/D kits source the SUU-23's without having to go to the Hasegawa Weapons Set.   

Thanks for all the researching!   

[GTX_Admin]

IIRC, the 1:48 Monogram F-5E and F-4C/D kits source the SUU-23's without having to go to the Hasegawa Weapons Set.   

Thanks for all the researching!

One can also buy resin 1/48 SUU-23s by themselves...or so I have heard .

[Diavel]

The old US navy/ airforce version by Airfix in 72nd scale had 2 of the suu-23's in the kit too as I have had 2 of those kits.
Chris

[ChernayaAkula]

IIRC, the 1:48 Monogram F-5E and F-4C/D kits source the SUU-23's without having to go to the Hasegawa Weapons Set.   

Thanks for all the researching!

One can also buy resin 1/48 SUU-23s by themselves...or so I have heard .

Yup. Wolfpack does them, in packs of two. Currently on sale at Lucky Model (LINK).

[elmayerle]

odd thought, French "domestic content" export version of F-E; ATAR 9K50 replaces J79 and two DEFA 30mm autocannon replace the 20mm M61.

[ChernayaAkula]

^ The Israelis actually trialled a twin DEFA set-up in one of their F-4Es. There are a couple of pics in the IsraDecal book "F-4E Phantom Kurnass in IAF service".

[Daryl J.]

 Modify the inboard pylons to be capable of carrying some fairly heavy duty anti shipping missiles.   Choose whatever Phantom variant you wish.  :)
D

[GTX_Admin]

Like such?

[Daryl J.]

Like such.  :).  Beaten to the punch again by reality. 

[GTX_Admin]

Something similar (these are AGM-142s...which can be used in an Anti-shipping role I suppose):

[Diamondback]

ISTR that Rafael Popeye/AGM-142 Have Nap (HN's a license-built and USN/USAF-ized Popeye) was primarily intended as a ship-killer to replace Harpoon, with a secondary stand-off capability against land targets.

[GTX_Admin]

Actually thinking about your idea a bit more...what about a Phantom loaded out with AGM-84 Harpoon missiles?  or a RN FAA one with Sea Eagles?