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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #125 on: November 23, 2013, 12:25:18 PM »
But it should be done to a thin wing Phantom kit methinks.   Just like I think a square-windscreen Skyhawk should have squared off flying surfaces, not just the vertical stab.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #126 on: November 23, 2013, 04:21:17 PM »
I've thought that the original F4H-1 canopy would be perfect for a developed F-4T, a proposed single-seat F-4E for the FRG and others.  put a sealing plate across the aft "hole" sills and use that area for avionics, much like the similar area on the single-seat F-15's is used.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #127 on: November 23, 2013, 06:20:57 PM »
I quite like the small radome on this one:


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #128 on: November 24, 2013, 02:56:33 AM »
I've thought that the original F4H-1 canopy would be perfect for a developed F-4T, a proposed single-seat F-4E for the FRG and others.  put a sealing plate across the aft "hole" sills and use that area for avionics, much like the similar area on the single-seat F-15's is used.

You and me both!   Or perhaps as the basis fora STOVL/ESTOL version where the rear cockpit is replaced with lift engines.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #129 on: November 24, 2013, 03:08:03 AM »
I quite like the small radome on this one:



I like both for different reasons.  This might be useful too (from Tommy Thomason's excellent blog!):



This is an overlay of McDonnell drawings of the forward fuselage.  Note that the radomes are located on the same center line (boresight). The top of the larger radome is slightly flattened at the parting line with the forward fuselage. (Note also that the parting line of the larger radome is not perpendicular to the radome center line like the smaller one is.) The flattening of the top of the radome was probably done to minimize the reduction in over-the-nose visibility with the new nose.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #130 on: November 24, 2013, 11:28:48 AM »
I've thought that the original F4H-1 canopy would be perfect for a developed F-4T, a proposed single-seat F-4E for the FRG and others.  put a sealing plate across the aft "hole" sills and use that area for avionics, much like the similar area on the single-seat F-15's is used.

You and me both!   Or perhaps as the basis fora STOVL/ESTOL version where the rear cockpit is replaced with lift engines.
I've got a couple of the Falcon conversion sets that includes the F4H-1 and I intend to use those canopies for a single-seat "gunfighter".  Might also add the "blown" frameless windscreen that was tested on some late F-4's.

One of them might even get modified to incorporate both flying boom and probe and drogue refueling capability on one airframe.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #131 on: December 21, 2013, 01:25:13 AM »
Information regarding the proposed single seat Phantom attack aircraft is sought.   18 months of searching has produced only one or two sentences saying it was put forth as an idea.   Nothing more.


Yep, I'd love to do a Spey engined and a thin wing version of just such.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #132 on: December 21, 2013, 02:52:54 AM »
Are you referring to this?

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #133 on: December 21, 2013, 03:41:08 AM »
Similar to the F-105 Combat Martin with GIB being "Colonel Computer".
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #134 on: December 21, 2013, 06:02:41 AM »
The RF4X on the right looks a bit whiffy...   (1/32 Phantoms having a conflab)

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #135 on: December 21, 2013, 06:23:59 AM »
Information regarding the proposed single seat Phantom attack aircraft is sought.   18 months of searching has produced only one or two sentences saying it was put forth as an idea.   Nothing more.
If memory serves me correctly, that was what was originally offered to the FRG under teh F-4T designation.  The decided to go with a two-seater and ended with what we know of in their service.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #136 on: December 21, 2013, 06:31:08 AM »
I saw this in an Aerophile mag many years ago and thought I must have it in 1/32



and while we're at it - here's a couple I did in 1/48..   and they need a dust !

The original F4F concept according to Flight Mag back in the day


and as already covered earlier in this thread - the swing wing proposal


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #137 on: December 21, 2013, 07:05:14 AM »
The RF4X on the right looks a bit whiffy...   

It is, as they never built a real one, only half a mockup, the other side was a standard RF-4C that McD used as a buck.

The three 'service' F4-ESs that the IAF had didn't have the conformal tanks and used the LOROP camera in the nose. I've had an F4-ES in build for EVER, and I really MUST finish it!
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #138 on: December 21, 2013, 07:40:45 AM »
The RF4X on the right looks a bit whiffy...   (1/32 Phantoms having a conflab)


32 scale you say?
thats 1 hell of a table in that case  ;D

ps very nice collection  :-*

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #139 on: December 21, 2013, 09:11:31 AM »
The RF4X on the right looks a bit whiffy...   
I've had an F4-ES in build for EVER, and I really MUST finish it!

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32 scale you say?
thats 1 hell of a table in that case  ;D

Yes, it is a hell of a table ! - that's our outdoor 6 seater..   and yes those manscale Phantoms do take up a bit of room - here's my helper inspecting a couple on the kitchen table..
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #140 on: December 21, 2013, 05:15:40 PM »
Hey, I once got one of those... the four-leg variant I ment!

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #141 on: December 21, 2013, 08:50:01 PM »
Phantoms and kitties - that's like, heaven right there! :)
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #142 on: December 21, 2013, 08:51:48 PM »
Phantoms and kitties - that's like, heaven right there! :)

Until one tries to take a bite out of the other.........
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #143 on: December 21, 2013, 09:29:35 PM »
My wife's cat has a death wish. Shortly after sending a 1/72 Grumman Panther tumbling to the floor it decided to (try to) ambush our Anatolian Shepherd before clawing my leather laptop bag and then as my wife restrained me from throwing something at it the stupid thing took a swipe at her. >:(

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #144 on: December 21, 2013, 10:34:17 PM »
My wife's cat has a death wish. Shortly after sending a 1/72 Grumman Panther tumbling to the floor it decided to (try to) ambush our Anatolian Shepherd before clawing my leather laptop bag and then as my wife restrained me from throwing something at it the stupid thing took a swipe at her. >:(

sounds like you need a dog!

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #145 on: December 22, 2013, 04:07:44 AM »
Cat's make tough judges!  Anything they don't approve of instantly is thrown to the flood…or stood on!
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #146 on: December 22, 2013, 04:45:40 AM »
Greg, that well could be the one.   

What is more in mind is a true single cockpit, short nose variant perhaps more in line with the F3H-G than the production Phantom.   
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #147 on: December 22, 2013, 06:33:40 AM »
My wife's cat has a death wish. Shortly after sending a 1/72 Grumman Panther tumbling to the floor it decided to (try to) ambush our Anatolian Shepherd before clawing my leather laptop bag and then as my wife restrained me from throwing something at it the stupid thing took a swipe at her. >:(

sounds like you need a dog!

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #148 on: February 19, 2014, 11:16:49 AM »
The ordnance is a MA-31 taget drone, which is a version of the Kh-31 anti-ship/anti-radiation missile......

The next step is therefore: what do I need to do to put a Kh-31 under an F-4N/S/E/G?  ;D
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #149 on: February 19, 2014, 12:35:36 PM »
Talk about an interesting picture  :)
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