Author Topic: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles  (Read 110667 times)

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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #125 on: March 06, 2016, 11:13:43 AM »
Found along the way of my quest to find inspiration to solve my Leman Russ debacle......
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #126 on: March 12, 2016, 10:59:43 PM »
With the impending release of the T54E1 kit by Dragon what does everyone see as upgrades if it had gone into production? Maybe not used by the U.S. but sold to allies possibly. Interested in what others think it might have become. Here is what I am thinking for a late 1960's early 1970's upgrade package by those wizards of tank whiffing the Israelis.
- Swap out the 105mm T140E2 cannon for either an L7 105mm or a Bofors made 62 caliber version as used on the Swedish S-tank for ammunition commonality. Need to do a performance comparison.
- Go to a diesel power pack from the M60/Centurion for commonality.

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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #127 on: March 12, 2016, 11:52:53 PM »
 :o Seriously?! I just started work on the hull of the ancient Revellogram M48. I was going to kitbash/scratch build the turret. I only recently got back into building tanks and this may be more parts and $ than I'm ready for... Oh well, at least it will save me the embarrassment of my shoddy workmanship.
 As for mods, maybe a production version would have a commanders cupola/turret like the M48 and M60. Israel is a definite possibility for a what if customer.
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #128 on: March 13, 2016, 05:19:38 AM »
With the impending release of the T54E1 kit by Dragon what does everyone see as upgrades if it had gone into production? Maybe not used by the U.S. but sold to allies possibly. Interested in what others think it might have become. Here is what I am thinking for a late 1960's early 1970's upgrade package by those wizards of tank whiffing the Israelis.
- Swap out the 105mm T140E2 cannon for either an L7 105mm or a Bofors made 62 caliber version as used on the Swedish S-tank for ammunition commonality. Need to do a performance comparison.
- Go to a diesel power pack from the M60/Centurion for commonality.

http://www.dragonusaonline.com/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=DRA3560


I would just look to the Israeli M48s and M60s for inspiration.  Therefore, you could swap in a L7 or similar, though one doesn't necessarily need to swap out the existing gun (maybe just give it a thermal sleeve etc), add on the ubiquitous ERA, maybe some extra MGs, a dozer blade...

If one wanted something other than Israeli, again just look at any of the other M60 real world operators as inspiration:

 Bosnia and Herzegovina
 Bahrain
 Brazil
 Egypt
 Greece
 Iran
 Jordan
 Lebanon
 Morocco
 Oman
 Saudi Arabia
 Sudan
 Portugal
 Republic of China
 Spain
 Thailand
 Tunisia
 Turkey
 Yemen
 Austria
 Italy
 
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #129 on: June 26, 2016, 06:43:36 AM »
M60 being trailed in Australia:

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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #130 on: July 06, 2017, 11:48:09 AM »
Inspired by T42 medium tank: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T42_medium_tank

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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #131 on: July 08, 2017, 04:50:13 AM »
Hey Carlos, that short M47 is really cool and it's close to an idea I've been playing with for a while now. Still inspired by the T42 but mixed with some elements of the T20 family as well. 

For your consideration, what about trying the "Short 47" with a T23 76mm gun turret and an early cast Leopard 1 turret as well?

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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #132 on: April 09, 2018, 12:43:07 AM »
Side view of the M48 Super
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #133 on: August 28, 2018, 09:08:00 AM »
I know that Germany did this combination only to test the turret, but is there anything that keeps this set up from being combat-ready and cannot be overcome?

(Of course whether this can adequately function as a tank under combat condition of its time or would just be a glorified turreted tank destroyer is another story.)

(I hope I didn't ask that question before......)
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #134 on: September 02, 2018, 03:05:35 AM »
Not t an expert here but I'm thinking that so long as the turret ring fits and the turret has power and the vehicle can handle the weight of it all it should be usable.  Now whether the main gub recoil can be absorbed...
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #135 on: December 19, 2018, 11:00:16 AM »
The M60 upgrade with a new long-barrelled gun-launcher turret is apparently known as "Chrysler K" as well (yup, recycling name from the thing that made it into World of Tanks).
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #136 on: February 03, 2021, 07:46:59 AM »
New Jersey was one of the last to field the M48A5.
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #137 on: March 01, 2021, 12:44:18 AM »
Subtle Whiff idea:  The Singaporean Army used AMX-13s from 1969 to around 2006. 



During this time they also used the M728 CEV which was based upon the M-60 tank:



What if they went further and thus used M-60 tanks instead of AMX-13s?

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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #138 on: March 01, 2021, 07:36:34 AM »
As in "Put the AMX-13 turret on the M60 hull?" ???

That'd be a good build ... for someone other than me! ;)

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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #139 on: March 01, 2021, 07:54:00 AM »
I would rather see the AMX-13 turret armed with a 90mm or 105mm gun mated to an M41 Walker Bulldog hull.  That would help keep it useful in urban and open terrain. 
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #140 on: March 01, 2021, 11:48:55 AM »
Subtle Whiff idea:  The Singaporean Army used AMX-13s from 1969 to around 2006. During this time they also used the M728 CEV which was based upon the M-60 tank.

What if they went further and thus used M-60 tanks instead of AMX-13s?

The Singaporean military around this time was heavily influenced by the IDF. In fact, its AMX-13s were ex-IDF, recommended by IDF officers acting as advisors to Singapore, in part because the Singaporean infrastructure around this time (bridges, etc.) had a hard time handling the weight of modern MBTs.

Other than that, there's no technical reason the Singaporean Army couldn't have operated M60s. I'd have expected them to eventually be upgraded to a similar level as those operated by the IDF Magach 6 & 7s. I always thought the Magach 7A had a very business-like appearance.


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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #141 on: March 02, 2021, 01:49:46 AM »
As in "Put the AMX-13 turret on the M60 hull?" ???


No.  As in, do a standard M-60 but as a Singaporean one.
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #142 on: March 02, 2021, 03:03:30 PM »
As in "Put the AMX-13 turret on the M60 hull?" ???


No.  As in, do a standard M-60 but as a Singaporean one.

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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #143 on: March 14, 2021, 03:06:19 AM »
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #144 on: March 14, 2021, 03:08:09 AM »
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #145 on: June 24, 2021, 11:00:38 AM »
I was reading recently about difficulties with Chieftain reliability and then separately was reminded of the FV4201/T95 studies, and I realized that if the T95/FV4201 combination was technically possible, then so too would a Chieftain turret on an M60 hull. I realized that I hadn't actually seen one of those mocked up before, so I decided to take some of the profiles from Tank Encyclopedia and try my hand at it. I did my best to scale these accurately, so I hope you all find them interesting, at least.



M60 Chieftain early production



M60 Chieftain circa 1970s NATO



M60 Chieftain circa 1980s NATO



M60 Chieftain export

Anyway, I hope these prove interesting to some as a quick evening mockup.

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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #146 on: June 24, 2021, 11:17:29 AM »
 8) :smiley: :smiley:
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #147 on: June 25, 2021, 02:08:10 AM »
Interesting idea.  I didn't realise they had similar turret ting sizes.
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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #148 on: July 13, 2021, 08:35:51 AM »
Sabalan upgrade on M48


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Re: M26 and M46 Pershing, M47, M48, M60 Patton, and M103 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #149 on: July 30, 2021, 02:57:35 AM »
Israel M60A1 with some french bits, includind GIAT guns, 105mm and 120mm