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He111 ideas and inspiration
« on: December 30, 2011, 11:51:07 AM »
Hi folks,

A thread for your He111 ideas and inspiration.

Here's one to start you off:

A float plane to operate from Fjords or the Med' perhaps?  Probably needs bigger floats though.



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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2011, 11:51:36 AM »
A radial engined version?



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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2011, 11:52:10 AM »
Maybe in the '60s, the Spanish decide to re-engine their CASA 2.111Bs with turboprops to create CASA 2.111Ts:



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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2011, 11:53:34 AM »
Jet engine testbed:



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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2011, 11:55:18 AM »
He-111 tank buster with 75mm cannon + different engines:



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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2011, 11:55:55 AM »
In 1941, the Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor was joined in the anti-shipping role by the He-211 "Albatros":



Later on some were fitted with radar and anti-shipping missiles:



And just for comparison - a standard He-111H-6:



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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2011, 11:57:02 AM »
If the Do-217 could be a night fighter, why not the He-111:



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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2011, 11:58:05 AM »
Trimotor:



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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2011, 11:59:34 AM »
He-111. ala He-119 style:



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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2011, 12:01:04 PM »
or alternatively, they try this as a way of increasing the range of the Me-109:



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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2011, 12:02:06 PM »
AWACS anyone?



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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2011, 12:03:08 PM »
How about a pusher variant - with tricycle undercarriage and heavy anti-shipping cannon:



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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2011, 12:04:07 PM »
How about a variant with eight 20 mm MG 151/20 E cannons - two in pods under each wing and two scabbed onto either side of the cockpit:



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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2011, 12:07:14 PM »
Swept wing jet He-111 concept:



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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2011, 12:09:08 PM »
Totally throwing practicality out the window... :yarr::









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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2011, 12:10:55 PM »
Yep, we're totally gone now... :dizzy:



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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2011, 12:11:31 PM »
How about a turboprop variant:



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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2011, 12:17:46 PM »
Fabulous upon Fabulous variants.  AWACS for vectoring fighters to those nasty Yankee bombers.  Last five or so are super inspiring for kind of bashing I like to do. 
Think Boeing or Lockheed might use your concepts ???

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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2011, 12:20:56 PM »
WOW - now you posted even more to ponder.

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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2011, 07:56:17 PM »
Love the FSW variant.

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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2012, 01:34:11 AM »
>In 1941, the Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor was joined in the anti-shipping role by the He-211 "Albatros":<

Possibly refering to my "He-211 Albatros" from way back??



This beast was made from TWO He-111Z models to get the straight wing/engine sections, an Airmodel vac-formed early nose and wingtips, and an Airfix top turret. She carries two torpedoes. *MY* story goes that a kette of Albatros' met the wounded Bismarck way out at sea, drove off the Ark Royal's Swordfish (acting as long-range fighters), and put torpedoes into KGV and Rodney, allowing the Biz to escape destruction and return to Brest.

I have a plan to "Phoenix" this model, using a Lindberg (1/64 approx) He-111 for a larger and longer fuselage than the "standard" He-111. I may decline the re-build, as this Albatros is one of my all-time favorite models (and that of my "fans").
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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2012, 07:23:05 PM »
The mind boggles...

My personal favorites are the night fighter (looks so natural!) and the swing-wing variant.

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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2012, 09:28:10 PM »
May I make a suggestion? A biplane He 111... Engines would be halfway between the two wings, the tail would be a twin-fin one, and the nose would be extended further forward. I have only managed to do a top view so far, side and especially front views are awfully difficult to do!!

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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2012, 09:41:23 PM »
All excellent ideas Geoff.
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2012, 02:11:06 AM »
I like the idea of a He-111 biplane. Maybe along the lines of the DH Dragon Rapide shown here?



Most likely the thick and broad wings would have been thinned. Despite biplane bombers like the Handley-Page Heyford, trying to lift heavy weight with biplanes is very hard on the plane not securely fastened to the fuselage. The much-larger Heyford could only lift some 4,000 pounds max. The monoplane He-111 could lift more than that.
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« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2012, 03:03:58 AM »
A biplane is one idea I certainly hadn't considered...great one!
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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2012, 12:46:14 AM »
Here is another He-111 derivative. It's the ancient Faller 1/100 He-111, made into a fictional 1/72 high-altitude, jetstream-riding fighter (ex-German He-121) for Japan, with ultra-long wings, X-16 turbocharged engine (cooling and piping a la Fw-190 V18), and pressure cockpit (a turned-around top-gunner's perspex). Kinda reminds me of the He-119 with the big fan up front.



Front view (no extra charge for "hand" in the picture):



No pic, but I also took a 1/144 He-111 and made a 1/72 single-engined "fighter trainer" out of it. Argus engine, open cockpit, "trousered" undercarriage (where the engine nacelles went) with a single gun in each "trouser". I do love the look/shape of the He-111!
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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2012, 06:05:50 AM »
Still looking for photos of the real KG-55's low-level Train-Buster version .....

    wondering what Greg can come up with :-\ :o >:D

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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2012, 08:48:32 AM »
Still looking for photos of the real KG-55's low-level Train-Buster version .....

    wondering what Greg can come up with :-\ :o >:D

Is that the one with about 6 20mm cannon in the nose - I am sure I have seen a photo of that recently.
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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2012, 09:24:29 AM »
I knew I had seen it:



Bill Cronk (who provided the photo) is doing a model of this over on Hyperscale.

Next challenge please. ;)

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« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2012, 11:27:32 AM »
From Albatross to swept to delta to variable sweep wings, I be overwhelmed  :-\

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Nope, research on another forum indicates that it apparently is not KG-55 but another squadron in Russia (Smolensk) -- may have been a KG-55 machine at one time tho.

I want MORE & BIGGER guns !! >:(

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« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2012, 11:15:12 AM »

Nope, research on another forum indicates that it apparently is not KG-55 but another squadron in Russia (Smolensk) -- may have been a KG-55 machine at one time tho.

I want MORE & BIGGER guns !! >:(

Jease!  Tough audience!  I'm going to take "may have been a KG-55 machine at one time tho." as a partial victory then! ;)

As for bigger guns, try my tank buster at Reply#4 of this thread then.

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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2012, 06:48:36 AM »
As for bigger guns, try my tank buster at Reply#4 of this thread then.

well ... it's bigger but where's the MORE ?

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« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2012, 07:28:15 AM »
Just a thought, how about using the earlier "stepped" nose and making it a "gun nose" like that fitted to B-25's and A-26's.

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« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2012, 02:52:37 PM »
Just a thought, how about using the earlier "stepped" nose and making it a "gun nose" like that fitted to B-25's and A-26's.

A bit like the night fighter at Reply # 6?
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« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2012, 02:56:04 PM »
Love the BMW engines on it, Greg, don't often see them in whifs.

Actually that particular one has Jumo 213s on it.
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« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2012, 04:19:09 PM »
The biplane He 111 by Stargazer has me intrigued!

Also diggin' the CASA 2.111 with turboprops. Just the thing for an African or South American storyline.
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« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2012, 10:36:54 AM »
Just a thought, how about using the earlier "stepped" nose and making it a "gun nose" like that fitted to B-25's and A-26's.

A bit like the night fighter at Reply # 6?
Yep, though with a heavier armament in the nose and without the AI radar.

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« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2012, 05:11:29 AM »
Random thought:  Do a post war (or even during war) unarmed He-111H-22 but with the standard V-1 replaced with a manned Fieseler Fi 103 Reichenberg IV.  This could be in something like a bright red scheme as a testbed or even speed record bird.  I'm thinking of something akin to a German B-29/X-1 combo.




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« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2012, 08:30:00 AM »
post-war unarmed He-111H-22 but with the standard V-1 replaced with a manned Fieseler Fi 103 Reichenberg IV.  This could be in something like a bright red scheme

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« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2012, 06:17:42 AM »
Ok....take the H-22, but instead have it CASA built and sporting a pair of Allison V-1710's.
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« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2012, 12:31:15 AM »
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I like this one - doable too, since Roden make various kits of the normal-nosed -A, -B, -C and -E versions. Their -B is in Spanish Nationalist colours, so you might imagine them trying to get more performance out hte airframe whilst on the wrong side of a post-war embargo on more advanced types...
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« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2012, 06:28:54 AM »
Then here is the He-61 "Culebra", a 1/144 He-111 made into a 1/72 fighter-trainer with Argus engine, and guns and wheel pants where the twin engines would have been.

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« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2012, 06:54:20 AM »



I like this one - doable too, since Roden make various kits


from what I hear those early He-111s of Roden's have appalling fit :( so whiffing to another aircraft entirely is probably best.

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« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2012, 10:16:34 PM »
Nice.
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« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2013, 04:24:01 AM »
Interesting, possibly inspiring photo:

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« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2014, 07:30:42 AM »
A neat to kitbash one day idea is.
1/32 He111 fuselage with some sort of large 1/72 wings plus appropriate fuselage mods to become 1/72 heavy bomber.

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« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2014, 10:36:26 AM »
A neat to kitbash one day idea is.
1/32 He111 fuselage with some sort of large 1/72 wings plus appropriate fuselage mods to become 1/72 heavy bomber.
Stretch the existing wings with a constant chord and airfoil section on each side mounting another engine (yielding a 4-engined heavy bomber)?  Or if you want a really heavy bomber, the middle wing of a He111Z on each side with the outboard wing, outboard of the engines, of a standard He111.

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« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2014, 12:17:00 PM »
Or combine with a 1/48 Cutting Edge He 111D/E Conversion and turn into a twin fuselage airliner... ;)
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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #53 on: August 14, 2015, 02:11:46 AM »
Some interesting real world He111s:

With 3 BV 246 Hagelkorn:



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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2020, 02:55:04 AM »
Supposedly taken recently somewhere in Russia (click to see bigger versions):







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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2020, 03:22:27 AM »
Gee,,,  what a find !
Very interesting.

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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #56 on: May 18, 2021, 01:07:52 PM »
What if a liner derived from CASA C.2111?


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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2021, 03:14:08 AM »
In a similar vein (just ignore the guns):

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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2021, 03:45:30 AM »
Errr...there any He111 left in there?
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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2021, 07:08:34 AM »
^^^^^
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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2021, 11:32:43 PM »
Errr...there any He111 left in there?

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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #61 on: May 23, 2021, 11:06:15 AM »
^^^^^
Sorry. I posted something that was not related with He-111. So, I deleted my post. :smiley: :D

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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2022, 01:35:03 AM »
In a different universe:

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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2023, 03:03:45 AM »
If the Do-217 could be a night fighter, why not the He-111:



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Not the same but still interesting:

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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2023, 06:11:02 AM »
I am also a bit into He111 thinking, if a kit comes crossing my way maybe , but just a question: 
are the early version of the Glas nose made symetric and not like the later versions ?   

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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2023, 07:55:14 AM »
They seem to have missed the one firing forward from the belly gunner's bulge/pod/blister.
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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2023, 10:45:38 AM »
I am also a bit into He111 thinking, if a kit comes crossing my way maybe , but just a question: 
are the early version of the Glas nose made symetric and not like the later versions ?

The forward glazing of the He 111 V7 and V8 - prototypes for the He 111P - were noticeably different from the glazing on production models. But, AFAIK, the asymmetry existed from the outset.
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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2023, 08:24:46 PM »
In the late 1930's the Irish Air Corps looked at all the twin-engined German planes as they wanted an MP plane which could also act as a troop transport.
They ended up with the Anson 1 but I always thought a He-111 would have been a more logical choice.

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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2023, 11:01:05 PM »
The nose cannon in Bertram's plane looks larger-than-2cm. When I went looking for documentation, I found this from a gaming video.




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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2023, 02:31:27 AM »
In the late 1930's the Irish Air Corps looked at all the twin-engined German planes as they wanted an MP plane which could also act as a troop transport.
They ended up with the Anson 1 but I always thought a He-111 would have been a more logical choice.

An Irish He111 could prove an interesting build
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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2023, 01:11:46 AM »
In the trailer for the most recent Indiana Jones movie, there appears to be a twin-tailed He 111. I did not notice the second gun blister atop the fuselage the first time...

Twin tail He 111 by VileDr.Yo, on Flickr

 The whole trailer- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkvqiddPqCE

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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2023, 01:53:36 AM »
Supposedly taken recently somewhere in Russia (click to see bigger versions):



It's a mockup for a Russian movie. Pretty good 1:1 model, though.

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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2023, 02:33:25 AM »
 :smiley:
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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2023, 08:58:38 AM »
"Just for the fun of it, just for a laugh..."
What a 'drag' 😂

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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #74 on: March 26, 2023, 09:16:21 AM »
What if a liner derived from CASA C.2111?



Nice ysi_maniac 👍

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Re: He111 ideas and inspiration
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2023, 03:29:47 AM »
Looks buildable for someone up to doing the top section transplant and PSR.