Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration

[elmayerle]

Turnabout is fair play and the bureaucrats and politicians lie enough.

Beyond that, there are two conversions I would love to see for Hunter kits.  The 3-foot extension at the front transport joint that the CFE wanted for greater range (I also agree with Roy Braybrook that it would make the aircraft even more aesthetically appealing) and the P.1091 delta-winged version.  I could see that developed as a P.1091B with some careful area-ruling, then developed with the CFE extension, Fieri intakes (Hunter looks made for those), radar, and a more powerful engine as a supersonic interceptor, then as a multi-role fighter.

[elmayerle]

Just an odd thought, India decides they need more fighter capability but don't have fistfuls of money, so go with a CILOP program to produce zero-timed Hunters powered by dry RD33 engines.

Upgrade the weapons fit, too - Y-racks for AA-8 or AA-11 missiles under each outboard hard point.

[elmayerle]

Of course, for an upgrade in the 60s, perhaps a dry J79?  Though I suspect that might require some extra engine bay cooling air as I believe the J79 runs rather hotter than the Avon.

[The Big Gimper]

Via Facebook.

Swedish RB-04s and AIM-9 Sidewinder.

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Hunter definitely needs an IFR probe somewhere on the fuselage. 

[GTX_Admin]

The forward fuselage mounts for the Sidewinders is interesting.  I wonder how the engine would fare with the exhaust going straight into it when the missiles were launched?

[GTX_Admin]

Hunter definitely needs an IFR probe somewhere on the fuselage.

Agreed.

[Aeroplanedriver]

My first Hunter What If? had an IFR probe out on the wing.

[finsrin]

Fine example of Tennessee Air Guard Hunter.   Probably from 1960s.

[Aeroplanedriver]

Fine example of Tennessee Air Guard Hunter.   Probably from 1960s.

This model represented an F-99A deployed to Key West NAS in October 1962 if I remember correctly.  It's about a 2004 build I think. 

[tankmodeler]

The forward fuselage mounts for the Sidewinders is interesting.  I wonder how the engine would fare with the exhaust going straight into it when the missiles were launched?

The rocket nozzle is under the inlet and about level, so it shouldn't bother the engine.

[GTX_Admin]

Except that, as you will see int eh first few seconds of this video), the rocket does put out considerable smoke etc which I suspect would have impinged on the intakes and risked stalls or similar.

[GTX_Admin]

Is this a Swedish or a RAF bird?  It looks like a RAF one.

[GTX_Admin]

Interesting tidbit:



Imagine a RN FAA operational one loaded with such missiles.

[apophenia]

Is this a Swedish or a RAF bird?  It looks like a RAF one.

It does look more RAF than Flygvapnet. I think the J34s were all in the olive over light blue scheme (like the early Drakens).

[Aeroplanedriver]

The Sapphire engined early Hunters had issues with engines paling out after ingesting gun gas.  The change to Avon fixed the problem.  I wonder if the Sidewinder exhaust was significantly more than gun discharge gas?  Regardless they did it so I guess it worked. 

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Is this a Swedish or a RAF bird?  It looks like a RAF one.

It does look more RAF than Flygvapnet. I think the J34s were all in the olive over light blue scheme (like the early Drakens).

Looks like there is a three-colour fin flash in the image showing the tail.  Sweden does not use a fin flash as far as I know so I would think this Hunter belongs to the UK. 

[Rickshaw]

Perhaps the proposal was made by Hawkers and tested by Hawkers on an RAF machine?

[GTX_Admin]

Puzzle solved:

[Geoff]

Of course, for an upgrade in the 60s, perhaps a dry J79?  Though I suspect that might require some extra engine bay cooling air as I believe the J79 runs rather hotter than the Avon.

Would that have a fin mounted intake like the Kfir, or a number of smaller intakes around the rear fuselage?

[Geoff]

For a carrier capable Seahunter the airbrake will need to be moved to the fuselage sides as for the Goshawk or landing on may get interesting.

[elmayerle]

Of course, for an upgrade in the 60s, perhaps a dry J79?  Though I suspect that might require some extra engine bay cooling air as I believe the J79 runs rather hotter than the Avon.

Would that have a fin mounted intake like the Kfir, or a number of smaller intakes around the rear fuselage?

Given that, IIRC, the control routings to the tail go through the covered area on the top of the fuselage, I would expect smaller intakes around the rear fuselage; properly sized, you could probably get away with two on the upper portion of the fuselage (F-105 intake scoops perhaps?).

[Geoff]

Thank you

[GTX_Admin]

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