Hawker Hunter Ideas and Inspiration

[GTX_Admin]

What about a scale-o-rama using the Hunter as a basis for a Hawker V-bomber?

[GTX_Admin]

I love the lower one!

[kitnut617]

I'd like to see one of these Hunter profiles with the Gripen forward fuselage.  Sometime ago I did some comparisons of the Hunter and Gripen and found the two kits are practically the same size and equipment placed in just about the same position too.  Since then I've always considered the Gripen the 'Super Hunter' and especially so when you take into account that most of the Gripen design team were from BAe and many had been associated with the Hunter design.

[raafif]

I prefer the upper one -- the lower one with pointy nose is obviously the US-built version :)

[ysi_maniac]

I'd like to see one of these Hunter profiles with the Gripen forward fuselage.  Sometime ago I did some comparisons of the Hunter and Gripen and found the two kits are practically the same size and equipment placed in just about the same position too.  Since then I've always considered the Gripen the 'Super Hunter' and especially so when you take into account that most of the Gripen design team were from BAe and many had been associated with the Hunter design.

Hi KitNut, for you to consider alternatives  :)

[kitnut617]

Very nicely done Carlos --  :)

Robert

[Daryl J.]

GA.11 looking variant.
Iraq, 1991

[Weaver]

Suited for British People's Republic Air Force (BPRAF)

Lots of potential there, given that the original design of the Hunter had a nose intake and a T-tail.... :)

[Weaver]

I'd like to see one of these Hunter profiles with the Gripen forward fuselage.  Sometime ago I did some comparisons of the Hunter and Gripen and found the two kits are practically the same size and equipment placed in just about the same position too.  Since then I've always considered the Gripen the 'Super Hunter' and especially so when you take into account that most of the Gripen design team were from BAe and many had been associated with the Hunter design.

You could have the F-20 Tigershark as an intermediate step between the Hunter and the Gripen. It's often been said that the Gripen is what you'd end up with if you started designing the F-20 with a clean sheet of paper instead of an F-5E. Maybe de-evolve the F-20 back to a 1960s spec with a re-heated Avon instead of the F-404, swept tail surfaces and Hawker-esque wingtips with no AAA rails. You could kinda say that the Avon F-20 is what you'd get if you set out to make the Hunter supersonic, taking your inspiration from the F-104....

[kitnut617]

For my trip to Yuma I picked up a couple of magazines to read on the plane, latest The Aeroplane and Air International.  There is an article in Aeroplane (March issue) about RAE's attempts to 'area rule' an early Hunter, a Mk.1 to be exact.  They re-profiled the rear end of the fuselage starting just a little forward of the wing's trailing edge and ending at the tailpipe.  The work was all done by RAE, Hawker not being involved at all, but the test results were incorporated into the Mk.6.  The article is written by Tony Buttler and there's a number of section view drawings of the revised area included, might make an interesting conversion ---

[GTX_Admin]

Yeah, read that one.  IIRC the changes didn't aid performance.

[Weaver]

Not a whiff but worth a look: Hammer UK9 on Britmodeller has done the (in)famous "Miss Demeanour" in 1/72nd:

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234941241-miss-demeanour-revell-172-hawker-hunter/



 

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Anyone have a good profile drawing of the inboard stores pylons that were added to the Swiss and Singapore Hunters? 

[kitnut617]

Anyone have a good profile drawing of the inboard stores pylons that were added to the Swiss and Singapore Hunters?

The Revell 1/72 Mk.6 (or was the the Mk.9) has them included Jeff, could be a source if no one else can help.

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Anyone have a good profile drawing of the inboard stores pylons that were added to the Swiss and Singapore Hunters?

The Revell 1/72 Mk.6 (or was the the Mk.9) has them included Jeff, could be a source if no one else can help.

Thanks Robert.  I believe that the 1:32nd scale Revell Hunter also includes the inboard stores pylon for the Swiss Hunter but I am not eager to plonk down money on two kits that are in the wrong scale for me. 

[kitnut617]

Anyone have a good profile drawing of the inboard stores pylons that were added to the Swiss and Singapore Hunters?

The Revell 1/72 Mk.6 (or was the the Mk.9) has them included Jeff, could be a source if no one else can help.

Thanks Robert.  I believe that the 1:32nd scale Revell Hunter also includes the inboard stores pylon for the Swiss Hunter but I am not eager to plonk down money on two kits that are in the wrong scale for me.

I'll try to find my two, I know I've seen them in one of the kits.

[Kerick]

I really like the Gripen nose and cockpit on the Hunter wings and fuselage. I'll add this to my future projects list.

[Volkodav]

Sea Hunter - practicality be damned!!



regards,

Greg

I have just been rereading an old book on the Sabre, Mig 15 and Hunter.  There was a short section on the GA11 as well as some photos and a nice colour profile.  Also in the last section, relating the experiences of two Australians in flying the Hunter the second, a retired RAN FAA Commodore, said the GA11he flew felt pretty much as he would imagine a super Seahawk. 

This got me wondering about a carrier capable Seahunter so I do a quick search to see if we have a Hunter topic and what do I find?

Great stuff Greg I love it!

Anyway while its pretty obvious why there wasn't a Seahunter, Scimitar and Sea Vixen already under development etc, it is a shame it wasn't actually developed as a replacement for the Seahawk.  A back story could be that the RN retains their light fleet carriers and requires a replacement for the Seahawk.  They can afford to do this because either the UK doesn't participate in the Suez Crisis (which led to cuts in US assistance and ultimately the withdrawal of east of Suez), or Eisenhower chokes on his cornflakes on hearing of it and in the subsequent political upheaval in the US they don't get involved at all other than making it clear to Khrushchev that they will defend their allies under the NATO Treaty.  Seahunter replaces Seahawk, and that sexy tandem profile suggests a FAW version could be developed to replace the Sea Venom.  Both serve into the 70s until replaced by the Sea Harrier.

And of course, there is a RAN FAA version. 

[Rickshaw]

Hawker Sea Hunter



Hawker Herne

[Volkodav]

How tall is the Hunter? Would it fit in the 14' hanger of an Implacable?

[perttime]

I think... Hunter F.6 height was 13 ft 2 in (4.01 m)

[Volkodav]

I think... Hunter F.6 height was 13 ft 2 in (4.01 m)

Cool, it would fit!

[Old Wombat]

FAR148 did a USMC Seahunter, somewhere along the line - I haven't been able to find the thread either here or on "What If Modellers", yet.

Typically beaytiful FAR job.

[Volkodav]

What size radar could a Hunter have been fitted with?  The T8M had a Blue Fox, could a single seat Hunter have effectively been fitted with a Ferranti Air Pass?

What engines would have fit besides the Avon and Sapphire? Something that would have made a slightly more swept version supersonic in level flight.

Thinking single seat Hunter with a profiled radar nose, longer span, increased sweep, possibly thiner wing with increased area intakes.  Cleaned up airframe, i.e. airbrake moved and made flush, link collectors removed (with some imaginary solution to the airframe stoke problem).

[elmayerle]

With regard to engine, it depends on the timeframe.  For the late-50's up to the late-70's, it would probably be the J79 which would require some cooling scoops as it runs hotter than the Avon or Sapphire (or the ATAR 9, as the Israelis found out).

As to radar, depending on where you're selling it, perhaps the radar from the F11F-1 would work.  Parenthetically, a supersonic Hunter with the F11F's supersonic drop tanks would look good.