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Re: Shin-Meiwa/ShinMaywa SS-2 (PS-1/US-1/US-2) flying boats/amphibians ...
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2014, 07:54:37 AM »
I could the RAAF operating them out of Far North Queensland or the North West.


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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2014, 09:29:03 AM »
After re-watching "The Straits" on ABC-1 I was thinking more Zey Island.  ;D

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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2014, 11:22:12 AM »
I could the RAAF operating them out of Far North Queensland or the North West.


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Re: Shin-Meiwa/ShinMaywa SS-2 (PS-1/US-1/US-2) flying boats/amphibians ...
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2014, 12:31:15 PM »
I see that Japan is actually getting a foreign sale of these, India is looking to buy a significant number of them for maritime patrol purposes.  Be interesting to see what color schemes they show up in.  This leads to thoughts of exports to other nations with lots of ocean to patrol (USN markings for a VP squadron, anyone?).

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Re: Shin-Meiwa/ShinMaywa SS-2 (PS-1/US-1/US-2) flying boats/amphibians ...
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2015, 02:50:37 AM »
Cross post from another thread:

There's a lot of chatter among Kiwi enthusiasts about the Hercules and Orion possibly being replaced (moreso the Orion). Relevant to this thread is this post by one of the Wings Over New Zealand forum members:

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I remember the talk of a search for a suitable aircraft while I was at school, before I joined the BES in '64, there was talk of trying to find a flying boat as well as the C-130, I think even the Shackelton was mentioned. A maritime Herc today would be a different bird than 50 years ago.

An RNZAF Shackleton, replacing the Sunderland instead of the Orion. I really, really like this idea, even though the type would be considered obsolete by 1966 (real-world Orion acquisition). Maybe we buy them ten years earlier, and they end up in Orion-style white-over-grey later on...

I was already going to buy at least one Airfix Shack. Make that two.

Anyone have any thoughts on this idea?

I would imagine a RNZAF Flying Boat replacement for the Sunderland in that timeframe would have to be satisfied by the Shin Meiwa US-1A.  Maybe a version with T56 engines instead of the T58s thus allowing commonality with the C-130s and P-3s.
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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2015, 03:15:17 AM »
The problem with the Shin Meiwa in place of the P-3 for the Kiwis is time, they got the first of their Orions
in 1966, the PS-X prototype for the PS-1 didn't fly until 1967 and deliveries didn't actually start until 1971, and
the US-1A variant prototype didn't fly until 1974.
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Re: Shin-Meiwa/ShinMaywa SS-2 (PS-1/US-1/US-2) flying boats/amphibians ...
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2015, 03:18:40 AM »
Bah...facts!!! ;)

Let's maybe say they develop something of their own along those lines...maybe with Lockheed?

Or better yet, maybe the RNZAF adds in the US-1 in the early - mid '70s as an adjunct to their Orions.
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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2015, 03:26:07 AM »
An early collaboration between Lockheed and Martin?  A prop-powered successor to the P5M using Hercules wings and L-188/P3V engine nacelles and installation?

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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2015, 12:08:38 PM »
Would NZ have been as rabidly anti-Japanese as Australia was at the time?

Besides that I agree it would have been an interesting option.  Maybe you could have Short completing the initial Short Seaford order of thirty and NZ acquiring a number of them which could conceivably last until the US-1 becomes available?

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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2015, 12:35:38 PM »
Would NZ have been as rabidly anti-Japanese as Australia was at the time?

Some sections of Australian society, most notably the RSL were rabidly anti-Japanese but the majority of our society was starting to change.  Personally, I put it down to the advent of TV and the showing of Japanese kids' TV shows such a "Shintaro" and "Secret Samurai".  It was interesting to see how attitudes were changing in general.  Japan was starting to seen as a new market and a source of investment.   I remember though, the RSL blocking the purchase of Toyota Landcruisers over Landrovers in the late 1970s, despite the Landcruiser being cheaper and in many ways a better vehicle.

I'd assume that the Kiwis were much less anti-Japanese.  Having been less involved in the war against Japan, than the war against Italy and Germany, they would not have had the personal involvement than Australia had in the PoW issue and the hysterical fear of the "Yellow Peril" from Asia.   I knew of old diggers who refused to purchase anything made in Japan.  I served with a fellow digger whose family had suffered a PoW and who'd hear nothing good about Japan or Japanese.

I think a landing boat is a great idea for the RNZAF in this period.  With their responsibilities in the South Pacific, where runways were relatively rare and few it would be an ideal solution.  Martin Marlins though were more likely IMHO than either Shackleton or Shin Mewai.
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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2015, 05:39:04 AM »
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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2015, 05:39:31 AM »
Random idea:  AEW variant
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« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2015, 08:13:01 AM »
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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2015, 12:20:12 PM »
Would NZ have been as rabidly anti-Japanese as Australia was at the time?
I knew of old diggers who refused to purchase anything made in Japan.  I served with a fellow digger whose family had suffered a PoW and who'd hear nothing good about Japan or Japanese.

Ironically my mothers uncle was a POW at Changi and felt no malice towards the Japanese at all, though he wasn't a fan of Bennet.  His greatest regret was pre-war he had been a missionary in New Guinea and had intimate knowledge of a number of areas and local languages including around the Fly River, his concern was more to the lives his knowledge could have saved.  When he returned to New Guinea after the war he was presented with all his personal belongings the local people had hidden and kept safe from both the Japanese and allies for the duration.

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« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2015, 04:00:55 AM »

Ironically my mothers uncle was a POW at Changi and felt no malice towards the Japanese at all

Interestingly I have heard similar stories a number of times:  those who were directly impacted/involved holding no malice and yet those who were not (sometimes not even in combat), holding all sorts of hatreds...makes you think.
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« Reply #40 on: December 06, 2015, 03:06:54 PM »
Shin Meiwa PS-X STOL Flying Boat video at YouTube: ------> https://youtu.be/oh8mn0DeKSs

Historical video covering the design and development of the PS-1 Flying Boat with some good scenes of the retractable beaching gear (ideal for your project, Carl)
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