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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2022, 01:09:43 AM »
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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2022, 01:11:11 AM »


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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2022, 01:12:02 AM »


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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2022, 01:16:33 AM »


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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2022, 01:17:29 AM »


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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2022, 07:26:16 PM »
Love kiwi Gina!! :smiley:

... and spanish too. :smiley: ;)
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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2022, 07:28:40 PM »
MustanGina



Propulsion is not decided yet.

Is it possible to conceive a turbo jet that works as such but a part of its power is derived to a shaft that moves a propeler? Or a turboprop whose exhaust thrust is relevant (more than marginal)?
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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2022, 08:31:50 AM »
  :smiley:   :smiley:   :smiley:

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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2022, 02:54:40 AM »

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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2022, 03:14:02 AM »
MustanGina



Propulsion is not decided yet.

Is it possible to conceive a turbo jet that works as such but a part of its power is derived to a shaft that moves a propeler? Or a turboprop whose exhaust thrust is relevant (more than marginal)?

A bit like what I did here.

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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2023, 03:19:48 AM »

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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2023, 04:30:47 PM »
Fiat G.91 structure is inspired by F-86 but Gina's nose is IMO just perfect


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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2023, 11:23:23 PM »
Gina with Skyhawk vertical and horizontal planes


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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2023, 02:17:31 PM »
Gina Tucano


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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2023, 02:48:15 PM »
Oh My, never would have guessed.   It does work !

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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #40 on: December 26, 2023, 04:46:22 PM »
Gina with Skyhawk vertical and horizontal planes



That one works very nicely indeed. I had to look twice to see the Skyhawk bits, they blend into the Gina well.
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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2023, 06:38:11 PM »
Or a Gina nose on a Skyhawk . . .


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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2023, 01:25:53 AM »
Skyhawk was reduced :D

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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2023, 07:10:56 PM »
Skyhawk was reduced :D

I suspected so, but it still works well with the overall look of the Gina.
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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2023, 09:04:11 AM »
This RAAF Gina build probably deserves a mention:

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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2024, 05:52:43 PM »
Fiat G.91Y equipped with AGAVE radar


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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2024, 05:33:24 AM »
I knew that the G.91 formed the basis for Fiat Aviazione's first take on the V/STOL G.95. What I hadn't noticed was that one variation on that early theme moved the wings higher.

On this sketch, note the new main undercarriage arrangement and extra side intakes for the added vectoring engines.
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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2024, 12:57:32 AM »
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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2024, 06:45:09 PM »
I knew that the G.91 formed the basis for Fiat Aviazione's first take on the V/STOL G.95. What I hadn't noticed was that one variation on that early theme moved the wings higher.

On this sketch, note the new main undercarriage arrangement and extra side intakes for the added vectoring engines.

That's an awesome find thanks apophenia!
You wouldn't happen to know a time frame from when Fiat went from STOL G.95 to the actual production G.95?

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Re: Fiat G-91, G-95, aso ...
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2024, 06:42:18 AM »
That's an awesome find thanks apophenia!
You wouldn't happen to know a time frame from when Fiat went from STOL G.95 to the actual production G.95?

Cheers M.A.D ... and here's my CTOL variation of that theme: https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg215553#msg215553

The P.1127 concept to Kestrel FGA.1 to Harrier GR.1 gestation (under ASR.384) took just over a decade (Spring 1957 to Dec 1967). The vectoring-thrust BE53 Pegasus turbofan was radical but its core was the proven BS Orpheus turbojet. By contrast, the Fiat designs were using unproven engine types ... which would likely extend development time.

So ... guesstimating ... from G.95 concept to production time might be 1963 to 1975 or thereabouts.

On powerplants, the early-ish G.95/3 was to have twin Bristol Siddeley BS.94s (Orpheus replacements) for propulsion plus Rolls-Royce RB.162 liftjets (4 x RB.162s in drawings, mentions of x 5). The BS.94 was a turbojet derivative of the BS.75 turbofan (a scaled-down BS.58 'Straight-Through Pegasus' - itself a mishmash of BS.53  and Olympus 301). The RB.162 would eventually be flown in the Mirage IIIV, VAK 191B, and Dornier Do 31 but was really only 'proven' as a boost engine for the Trident airliner. You can see where this would go ...

Thing is, none of that could happen. A change at the top of Fiat resulted in a desire to divest the aviation side of the business. Of course, the Italian government couldn't allow Fiat Aviazone to disappear altogether. Their two moves were to fold the Fiat G.95/6 into the German VJ 101D programme (in April 1964) and to resurrect the stalled G.222 as a CTOL transport. Alfa Romeo Avio was also kept going (eventually forming a core part of Fiat Avio). So, Rome was able to keep Fiat Aviazione alive long enough to make it part of state-owned Finmeccanica (as Alenia). But the G.95 was Fiat's last aircraft design (and the G.222/C-27) their last production type.
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