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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #200 on: March 05, 2022, 01:11:20 AM »
Maybe you should also add in the Elta EL/M-2032 radar that was originally developed for the Lavi but then actually fitted to the Kfir C.10:

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #201 on: March 05, 2022, 01:12:26 AM »
Speaking of Kfirs, I never knew that the Israelis also considered the Rolls-Royce Spey instead of the J79.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #202 on: March 05, 2022, 01:21:02 AM »
Just a cool shot:

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #203 on: March 05, 2022, 11:01:23 AM »
Just a cool shot:



Yes it is a very cool shot GTX, alas a short range mission at that for a Mirage III with that loadout.🤔
What impresses me with the photo is four AAM's (as per our conversations on another post....)


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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #204 on: June 25, 2022, 03:47:07 AM »
New Zealand gets Mirage IIIs as well:





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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #205 on: July 03, 2022, 04:22:40 AM »



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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #206 on: July 03, 2022, 06:54:55 AM »
Rhodesian or Zimbabwean. IIIC's were going to be transferred from S Africa.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #207 on: July 04, 2022, 12:50:46 AM »
Rhodesian or Zimbabwean. IIIC's were going to be transferred from S Africa.


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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #208 on: September 14, 2022, 01:28:01 AM »
Just a photo:

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #209 on: September 14, 2022, 07:42:34 PM »
Just a photo:



Reengine with F-414 and life extend for another 40 years, see if we can keep them in service longer than the M-113!  ;D

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« Reply #210 on: September 14, 2022, 09:38:45 PM »
Seen on Facebook:
FICTIONAL Norwegian Fulgur (thunderbolt) Albert Weinberg design, from a 1980/81 comic book.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.1204386950294493&type=3

There was a plastic model in progress, starting with a Kfir / F-21 and an F-16 intake.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #211 on: September 15, 2022, 01:42:00 AM »
Reengine with F-414 and life extend for another 40 years, see if we can keep them in service longer than the M-113!  ;D

What?  Deprive the Pakistanis?



Of note, a few years back I had an opportunity to visit the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex at Kamra where the ex-RAAF Mirages were re-conditioned/upgraded.  Unfortunately it got quashed at the last moment due to security concerns.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #212 on: September 15, 2022, 01:42:58 AM »
Seen on Facebook:
FICTIONAL Norwegian Fulgur (thunderbolt) Albert Weinberg design, from a 1980/81 comic book.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.1204386950294493&type=3

There was a plastic model in progress, starting with a Kfir / F-21 and an F-16 intake.

different though I would be worried about the engine getting starved at high AoA.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #213 on: September 15, 2022, 10:54:06 AM »


Ex-Aussie Mirage ??  Going by the colour of the pic, apart from the crescent on the fin, it seems to me its still Aussie.  I thought Pakaistan had a green/white roundel - note the RAAF's blue/white WW2 roundel on this one - maybe kangaroos are now extinct. ;D

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #214 on: September 16, 2022, 05:54:54 AM »
  Unfortunately it got quashed at the last moment due to security concerns.

Happened to me too, some years ago. I was part of a group of journalist, who were invited to see, how the russians were dismantling old nuclear submarines at a base on the Kola Peninsula. At the very last minute, someone in Moscow said Njet, and we were not allowed to enter the submarine base.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #215 on: September 16, 2022, 12:03:11 PM »
Seen on Facebook:
FICTIONAL Norwegian Fulgur (thunderbolt) Albert Weinberg design, from a 1980/81 comic book.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.1204386950294493&type=3

There was a plastic model in progress, starting with a Kfir / F-21 and an F-16 intake.

different though I would be worried about the engine getting starved at high AoA.
There is that. The intake is much further back than on F-107

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #216 on: September 17, 2022, 01:05:34 AM »

There is that. The intake is much further back than on F-107

However, flip it around and put it on the belly might be interesting...
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #217 on: October 18, 2022, 12:17:04 PM »
What if Mirage III were not delta?


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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #218 on: October 18, 2022, 04:36:56 PM »
What if Mirage III were not delta?




Then it would be a Mystere . . .   ;)


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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #219 on: October 18, 2022, 06:05:40 PM »
Rhodesian or Zimbabwean. IIIC's were going to be transferred from S Africa.


See here for something close


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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #220 on: October 20, 2022, 09:49:22 AM »
What if Mirage III were not delta?



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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #221 on: March 20, 2023, 03:12:46 AM »
Random idea:  JASDF Mirage IIIJ instead of F-104J
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #222 on: April 05, 2023, 04:33:09 AM »
If it can inspire some, and following Greg suggestion for Japan (which start to gave me some idea  ;D), I took a look in one of my Mirage III books and found this list of some Dassault's prospect for the Mirage III/5/50:
- Yugoslavia: May-1959 for some Mirage IIIC
- USA: Dec-1961, agreement signed with Boeing for a Mirage IIIW (Wichita) for a proposal for the F-5 program (won by Northrop)
- India: Jun-1961, proposal for 40 Mirage 5H/TH
- Jordan: 1965, 36 Mirage IIIE and B. Didn't happen and 10 years later, Mirage F-1 are ordered
- Myanmar: Nov-1965, interest for 8 Mirage IIIEL and 4 IIIBL similar to Australian IIIO/D. A/C will have been produced in Australia. "L" was first attributed to Myanmar by Dassault before the Lebanon order few years later.
- Belgium and Netherlands: 1966, Mirage IIINB (Nederland Belgique) common aircraft for both country based on Mirage 5 with J79 engine. Netherlands went for the F-5 and Belgium for the Mirage 5BA/BD/BR.
- Koweit: 1966, interest for 18 aircraft.
- Denmark: 1968, Mirage 5TK (dual seat), 5FK (single seat) and 5RK (recce). J35 was preferred
- Irak: 1968, order for 16 Mirage IIIEQ, 32 Mirage 5Q, 4 Mirage IIIDQ and 2 Mirage IIIRQ. Not produced as the first payment was not performed.
- Japan: not specifically targeted, but some demo flight were studied for the Universal exhibition of Tokyo in 1968 with a Mirage IIIE and IIIB. Except Tokyo, the return to France will have stopped in Singapore, New Delhi, Koweit City, Ankara and Athens.
- Qatar: 1971, Mirage 5AQ similar to Lybian Mirage 5D. Later evolved for Mirage 50 and then Mirage F-1 were ordered.
- Morrocco: Similar to Qatar.
- Sudan: 1977, order for 14 Mirage 50KDE and 2 Mirage 50KDD, similar to Chilian Mirage 50FC/DC with Agave radar and Atar 9K50. As for Iraq, not produced as first payment not performed.
- Angola: 1979, interest for Mirage 5.
- Austria: 24 aircraft preferred to the F-16/79 in 1980. in 1985, the country switched to used Saab Drakken.
- Portugal: 1985, interest for 20 Mirage IIIC and R. 1987, interest still present for 20 Mirage IIIR.
- Bolivia: interest for 10 used aircraft. T33 will be bought at the end.

All are listed in this reference :


http://www.aerostories.org/~aerobiblio/article4218.html

 ;)
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #223 on: April 05, 2023, 01:07:41 PM »
What if Mirage III were not delta?




Then it would be a Mystere . . .   ;)
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #224 on: April 06, 2023, 01:30:14 AM »
If it can inspire some, and following Greg suggestion for Japan (which start to gave me some idea  ;D), I took a look in one of my Mirage III books and found this list of some Dassault's prospect for the Mirage III/5/50:
- Yugoslavia: May-1959 for some Mirage IIIC
- USA: Dec-1961, agreement signed with Boeing for a Mirage IIIW (Wichita) for a proposal for the F-5 program (won by Northrop)
- India: Jun-1961, proposal for 40 Mirage 5H/TH
- Jordan: 1965, 36 Mirage IIIE and B. Didn't happen and 10 years later, Mirage F-1 are ordered
- Myanmar: Nov-1965, interest for 8 Mirage IIIEL and 4 IIIBL similar to Australian IIIO/D. A/C will have been produced in Australia. "L" was first attributed to Myanmar by Dassault before the Lebanon order few years later.
- Belgium and Netherlands: 1966, Mirage IIINB (Nederland Belgique) common aircraft for both country based on Mirage 5 with J79 engine. Netherlands went for the F-5 and Belgium for the Mirage 5BA/BD/BR.
- Koweit: 1966, interest for 18 aircraft.
- Denmark: 1968, Mirage 5TK (dual seat), 5FK (single seat) and 5RK (recce). J35 was preferred
- Irak: 1968, order for 16 Mirage IIIEQ, 32 Mirage 5Q, 4 Mirage IIIDQ and 2 Mirage IIIRQ. Not produced as the first payment was not performed.
- Japan: not specifically targeted, but some demo flight were studied for the Universal exhibition of Tokyo in 1968 with a Mirage IIIE and IIIB. Except Tokyo, the return to France will have stopped in Singapore, New Delhi, Koweit City, Ankara and Athens.
- Qatar: 1971, Mirage 5AQ similar to Lybian Mirage 5D. Later evolved for Mirage 50 and then Mirage F-1 were ordered.
- Morrocco: Similar to Qatar.
- Sudan: 1977, order for 14 Mirage 50KDE and 2 Mirage 50KDD, similar to Chilian Mirage 50FC/DC with Agave radar and Atar 9K50. As for Iraq, not produced as first payment not performed.
- Angola: 1979, interest for Mirage 5.
- Austria: 24 aircraft preferred to the F-16/79 in 1980. in 1985, the country switched to used Saab Drakken.
- Portugal: 1985, interest for 20 Mirage IIIC and R. 1987, interest still present for 20 Mirage IIIR.
- Bolivia: interest for 10 used aircraft. T33 will be bought at the end.

All are listed in this reference :


http://www.aerostories.org/~aerobiblio/article4218.html

 ;)


Definitely some interesting ones there.
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