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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #50 on: November 05, 2012, 06:00:16 PM »
Do you mean this one Evan, with the Metrovick F.2 engine
Yes, that one.  I was under the impression, mistaken or not, that the Metrovick F.2 was the Beryl.

I wasn't sure that the first engine engine had a name Evan, but reading about it the engine that's in the underslung nacelle was designated the F.2/1. It had a nine stage compressor.
The Metrovick F.2/4 was called the Beryl and it had a ten stage compressor.  It was almost twice as powerful as the F.2/1.

According to the Aerofax book, the nacelle that you see in the through-wing design was used to test the Sapphire too, and then the Avon although there's some slight differences to them.  The wing though is not set quite dead center on the round nacelle of these prototypes, it looks like the bottom edge of the chord is on the centerline with the top edge being up towards the top of the nacelle giving it a slight underslung appearance.

But to answer your question, I don't think there's any conversion on the aftermarket.  At least I haven't seen any.

Building the one I'm doing I found the shape look a little like the BAC 1-11 engine nacelle and that is what I've used as a base. I did though, use the very rear end of a Supermarine Attacker fuselage for the exhaust area of the nacelle. 

Another thing that I discovered was that this F.2/1 prototype used the same extended u/c legs that the Trent turbo-prop prototype used.  The u/c raised the aircraft up about half a main wheel rim diameter.
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2012, 04:04:52 AM »
Another difference between the F.2 series 1 engine and the F.2 series 4(Beryl) was that the former
had a two-stage turbine, the Beryl had a single stage turbine.

The flight tests of the F.2/1 in F.9/40M (DG204/G) were disappointing "... due, it was later
thought, to the use of short, underwing nacelles that caused excessive air spill at high
speeds." - Turbojet; Vol.1, Antony L. Kay, Crowood, 2007

So there's a Whif potential, build a version with lengthened nacelles.

The drawing of DG204/G that I posted on page one of this thread is the best I've ever seen
of the F.2 powered aircraft, I have a larger version of the scan if anyone wants a copy.

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2013, 02:05:57 PM »
1:48th scale. 

Classic Airframes Meteor FR Mk 9 + Tamiya Meteor F.3 = Meteor PR.10 built by Pat Earing showing some images of his in progress work and the finished model. 
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2013, 06:01:33 AM »
Perhaps the aircraft could not lift this but use a late NF-type Meteor to lift a couple wingtip mounted Firestreaks as a missile rail development/test aircraft.
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2013, 06:41:32 AM »
Perhaps the aircraft could not lift this but use a late NF-type Meteor to lift a couple wingtip mounted Firestreaks as a missile rail development/test aircraft.

According to Phil Butler & Tony Buttler's Aerofax book on the Meteor, three Meteor NF Mk.11's were used in Firestreak trials ----

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #55 on: November 03, 2013, 12:13:27 PM »
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Perhaps the aircraft could not lift this but use a late NF-type Meteor to lift a couple wingtip mounted Firestreaks as a missile rail development/test aircraft.

According to Phil Butler & Tony Buttler's Aerofax book on the Meteor, three Meteor NF Mk.11's were used in Firestreak trials ----


 :o ;D ;D :).  Oh?  I had no idea. But that doesn't take much with me.  :-[
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2013, 01:57:46 PM »
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Perhaps the aircraft could not lift this but use a late NF-type Meteor to lift a couple wingtip mounted Firestreaks as a missile rail development/test aircraft.

According to Phil Butler & Tony Buttler's Aerofax book on the Meteor, three Meteor NF Mk.11's were used in Firestreak trials ----


 :o ;D ;D :).  Oh?  I had no idea. But that doesn't take much with me.  :-[

If it's Brit fighter tech between 1945 and 1980, there was probably a Meatbox involved somewhere.  ;D
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2013, 02:55:25 PM »
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Perhaps the aircraft could not lift this but use a late NF-type Meteor to lift a couple wingtip mounted Firestreaks as a missile rail development/test aircraft.

According to Phil Butler & Tony Buttler's Aerofax book on the Meteor, three Meteor NF Mk.11's were used in Firestreak trials ----


 :o ;D ;D :).  Oh?  I had no idea. But that doesn't take much with me.  :-[

If it's Brit fighter tech between 1945 and 1980, there was probably a Meatbox involved somewhere.  ;D

Or a Canberra...  ;D

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: November 04, 2013, 04:06:18 AM »
I suppose I ought to sling this into the mix............  ;)
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2013, 03:16:45 PM »
 :)
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2013, 08:10:32 AM »
Hmmm.....Airfix say their announcement this coming Saturday is ''hot''.

Perhaps, just perhaps, it is a Meteor. :) :)

But I'm merely waxing chatty.  :o 
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #61 on: November 08, 2013, 07:21:40 AM »
Oooo I love the PR.19b!

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #62 on: November 08, 2013, 01:20:42 PM »
Oooo I love the PR.19b!

If you're in the UK it'll be on the Whiff SIG stand at Telford this weekend.
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #63 on: November 08, 2013, 01:53:01 PM »
Soooo Sweeeet  :-*

Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #64 on: November 08, 2013, 08:03:28 PM »
Oooo I love the PR.19b!
If you're in the UK it'll be on the Whiff SIG stand at Telford this weekend.

I won't be able to make Telford unfortunately (ironically I'll be closer this year than I have ever been  :-\ ). Thanks for the pic though. It's a model that certainly isn't wanting for panache!

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2013, 11:46:11 AM »
There was of course the somewhat less famous Australian version of the PR.19 - the PR.29!

http://imageshack.us/a/img217/5618/cimg1220a.jpg
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2014, 05:35:10 AM »
Some possible inspiration for you:






And also these:



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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2014, 06:23:04 AM »
While we are on the Meteor subject.
I had to include a reminder of what Douglas built using wings of the Meteor !

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2747.0


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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2014, 06:35:39 AM »
I am seriously tempted to have a go at the side-by-side seating one.
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2014, 07:51:41 AM »
I am seriously tempted to have a go at the side-by-side seating one.

That does look good, doesn't it? Maybe using a Vampire T11 canopy? But it'd be a real squeeze in there unless they widened the fuselage some.
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2014, 09:13:59 AM »
Bigger engines and tip tanks make all aircraft look and perform better.  ;)

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2014, 09:34:55 AM »
I am seriously tempted to have a go at the side-by-side seating one.

That does look good, doesn't it? Maybe using a Vampire T11 canopy? But it'd be a real squeeze in there unless they widened the fuselage some.

A F3D Skynight canopy would work if you can find one.
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2014, 02:19:23 PM »
Odd thought - large nacelles like those for the Sapphire and Avon, but used to test a dry J79 early in the development phase, complete with GE logo on the tail, similar to what was done with the #1 F-101A.

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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #73 on: September 27, 2015, 05:06:57 AM »
Perhaps Airfix' new Meteor will have to become some ;D bestriped bellyed pilotless test airceaft.
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Re: Gloster Meteor Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #74 on: January 09, 2016, 05:25:39 AM »
RAN Sea Meteors on HMAS Sydney in Singapore on the way to Korean War... ;)



...in reality, this shows new RAAF Meteors aboard HMS Unicorn in Singapore on the way to Korea in 1951
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