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Re: Avro Canada CF-100 Canuck
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2013, 04:55:49 PM »
Were these meant for air-to-air? IE shoot into the middle of a mass Soviet bomber formation a-la Genie missile?

Exactly that.

It was an area saturation weapon designed to be fired into the midst of bomber formations.

Of course, it was based on the assumption that the Soviets would fly bomber formations.  "Armies always prepare to fight the last war" and the thinking behind that rather proves it.   What was more likely were small formations of 3 or 4 aircraft than mass bomber streams or box formations.

True that.

Even before WWII was done, combatants were learning that streams and box formations weren't the best way to fly bombers to their targets and area bombing was wasteful and inaccurate.

Suffice it to say, the development of more accurate bombs able to deliver more bang in fewer numbers and strategies of making smaller bomber formations rather than putting all the eggs into one basket with Box formations and streams should have put paid to ideas like area saturation with unguided rockets.

I do really wonder how the CF-100 would have worked with Firestreak or Red Top missiles and a quad of 20 or 30 mm cannons.
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Re: Avro Canada CF-100 Canuck
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2013, 02:56:48 AM »
A quad 20mm gunpack was built and ground and air tested using the T160 20mm revolver cannon.
The program started November of 1952 and ended April 22, 1955. There were too many problems
with the T160 so the project was dropped. On one flight it wasn't the issues with the gun construction
that caused problems, during the firing test parts of the engine cowlings came loose and departed the airframe.

Above from Larry Milberry, The Avro CF-100

The T160 was developed into the M39 cannon and is still in use, so I have to wonder if, rather than
the official line Milberry quotes that the problem was the gun, the real problem was in the structure of
the Clunk? Perhaps it simply couldn't take the vibration and pounding of firing a multi-cannon
armament? The Clunk had structural problems right from the beginning, so I wonder if the fixes
were not as complete as claimed? Also they had some serious difficulties in getting the eight .50-cal
gun pack to work properly.

BTW in the book Milberry reproduces sections of a January 1956 Avro document that discusses
why the collision course unguided rocket attack was better than a gun attack. The upshot was
that the rockets could be used for automatic, all-around blind attacks, whereas a guns only blind
attack could only be made from astern where the attacking aircraft was in the most danger from
the bomber's defensive radar and guns. Plus you have the big negative of being in a stern chase.
It also states that the clustered rockets were only a temporary solution while awaiting development
of functional guided missiles.
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Re: Avro Canada CF-100 Canuck
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2013, 05:44:54 AM »
not as much dispersion with these rockets...


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Re: Avro Canada CF-100 Canuck
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2016, 09:04:07 PM »


What If' CF-100 counter-invader in USAF markings.

Source: Facebook - AVRO Canada CF-100 Canuck Group
« Last Edit: May 13, 2016, 10:49:07 PM by The Big Gimper »
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Re: Avro Canada CF-100 Canuck
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2016, 09:35:04 PM »
not as much dispersion with these rockets...




Makes you wonder what, if any, effect the development of guided rockets, for air to ground operations, will have on future air to air applications?

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Re: Avro Canada CF-100 Canuck
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2016, 12:30:32 AM »

What If' CF-100 counter-invader in USAF markings.

Source: Facebook - AVRO Canada CF-100 Canuck Group

Soooo nice, never woulda thought of such a build. :)

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Re: Avro Canada CF-100 Canuck
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2016, 05:54:25 AM »
CF-100 Egg plane:



Source: AVRO Canada CF-100 Canuck.  Credit Blackheart Art 2011

Lots more at his website.
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Re: Avro Canada CF-100 Canuck
« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2016, 11:11:08 AM »

What If' CF-100 counter-invader in USAF markings.

Source: Facebook - AVRO Canada CF-100 Canuck Group

Soooo nice, never woulda thought of such a build. :)

There were tests done for a ground attack CF-100, it had four pylons (two under each inner end of the wing). It was found to be not very good in the roll so wasn't proceeded with.  However, the two inner pylons found their way onto the CF-100 Mk5D Electronic Warfare variant.