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M10/M18/M36
« on: May 05, 2012, 06:37:56 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_Hellcat
I like the idea of the prototypes. Especially the T88 105mm howitzer. One future build of that will be of a T88. But I will use the M36 turet as it is bigger.

Another idea I have is turning a UK M10 Achilles into a 25 Lbr howitzer version,and adding an HVSS suspension.
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2014, 01:11:53 AM »
A tank with closed turret




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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2014, 03:18:44 AM »
 :)

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2014, 03:50:41 AM »
A tank with closed turret




Is the top from an M41?

I have been thinking of adding a T 23 Sherman 76 mm turret onto an M18 for a 1946 campaign on another site. For that,I can always say the turret had lighter armor than the normal Sherman turret.
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2014, 08:41:28 PM »
Yep, most definitely an M41 turret top. ;)
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2014, 09:26:05 AM »
^^^^
Yes. M41

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2014, 09:56:16 AM »
Using M36 turrets to rearm T-54/55s "relegated to mechanic training roles"?
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2014, 10:53:49 AM »
Always thought the M-18 would make a nice looking light tank.

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2014, 10:57:56 AM »
The Greeks had another way of addressing the M18's lack of overhead cover...







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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2014, 11:07:02 AM »
Here's a different bunker, very similar setup.

























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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2014, 01:03:32 PM »
Using M36 turrets to rearm T-54/55s "relegated to mechanic training roles"?


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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2014, 04:51:10 AM »
Is it wrong that that looks soooooo right?  8)
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2014, 09:13:07 PM »
Would a 17pdr fit in an M-18?

Actually imagine an M-18 with Ford GAA V8, 17pdr, thicker armour and a roofed turret.

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2014, 09:50:33 PM »
I don't see why not. As for the other modifications, that's really getting into the realm of a different vehicle altogether. It'd then need heavier, wider suspension, etc. You basically want a T23 with a 17pdr, don't you?



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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2014, 10:08:19 PM »
Not that big or heavy, rather an increase in frontal armour to say 3" and side to 1 1/2 or 2".  Wider tracks yes but no increase in overall dimensions.

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2014, 11:03:41 PM »
Then you want an M41 with a 17pdr? Even then, though, it only had frontal armor of 1.5 inches at most. It was still over 23 tons. The T23E3 had about 3 inches of frontal armor at its thickest and it was about 30 tons. I really think you're looking for the T23E3 with a 17pdr.

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2014, 09:25:08 AM »
Hum...... is it just me or did they put a new, bigger gun into this Hellcat, too?
« Last Edit: October 26, 2014, 09:29:49 AM by dy031101 »
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2014, 01:05:33 AM »
Hum...... is it just me or did they put a new, bigger gun into this Hellcat, too?
Possibly a French 90 mm? Come to think of if, that looks like a new turret as well.

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2015, 09:38:46 PM »
Hum...... is it just me or did they put a new, bigger gun into this Hellcat, too?
Possibly a French 90 mm? Come to think of if, that looks like a new turret as well.

Found a side view.

I think it's still the old turret, but with gun trunnion moved forward.
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2015, 03:11:53 AM »
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2015, 08:13:37 AM »
So where is that upgrade from and what came of it?
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2015, 11:33:14 AM »
So where is that upgrade from and what came of it?

Allegedly Venezuelan vehicles upgraded by former Yugoslavia.

As for what came of the upgrade programme...... good question.
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2015, 12:37:11 PM »






Well, this one was new to me. Some pretty good whif potential here.

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2015, 02:34:50 AM »
Some pretty good whif potential here.

Wikipedia entry of M50 and M51 Shermans claimed that Israel also had some of those when they made the M50.
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2015, 04:53:52 AM »
As I understand it, they were the backup in case the M50 program didn't work out.

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2017, 02:53:26 PM »
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2020, 02:04:26 AM »
M44 Armored Personnel Carrier (1945), based on the M-18 chassis. This early vehicle was massive, and not “squad-size”, but served as the basis for the cold war M75 and M59.

On 31 October 1946 the army gave permission for one of the M44s to be modified to take into account the lessons of the earlier trials. This vehicle, the M44E1, was given a more powerful engine, 21in tracks and was 10 inches taller. Some of the roof sections could be opened, so the side escape doors were removed. This version was also not accepted for production.

The M44E2 was similar, but with the hull raised 10 inches. This version later became the T17 Command Post Vehicle and was used by the USAF.

Hmmm. What would the M44E3 have been?

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_M44_armoured_personnel_carrier.html



Rear and side door arrangements
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/23/36/8323369c57f7d3b1f4e830fcf19b3c8b.jpg
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2020, 06:30:34 AM »
it needs to be painted yellow, the Checker Cab of battle-taxis.  ;D
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2020, 08:16:00 AM »
it needs to be painted yellow, the Checker Cab of battle-taxis.  ;D

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2020, 08:39:20 AM »
The M39 looks vaguely Soviet, at least in the dismount/lack of protection:



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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2020, 12:37:32 PM »
Because nothing could ever go wrong with a bunch of guys jumping out of a vehicle with fixed bayonets. ???

The M-44 is very interesting. Was at the Fort Knox Museum some years back and there were so many interesting U.S. prototypes and one off's.
Have to check my pix to see if this survived.

Good find.

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2020, 09:34:59 PM »
it needs to be painted yellow, the Checker Cab of battle-taxis.  ;D

Needs theme music, too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esksm3a8pUs

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2020, 02:19:07 AM »
Hard to imagine that the Army wanted to stuff 24 people in to the M44.  I wonder how much baggage would have been secured to the outside of the vehicle for those poor souls stuck inside?
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2020, 03:36:01 AM »
The M39 looks vaguely Soviet, at least in the dismount/lack of protection:



I like the guy at the far right...

Someone farted in the cab...
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2020, 03:37:40 AM »
it needs to be painted yellow, the Checker Cab of battle-taxis.  ;D

Oh sure, it's just fun and games ... until someone sprays tea all over their laptop  :'(

 ;D  It should be done with a M113 at least.
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2020, 05:54:18 PM »
The M39 looks vaguely Soviet, at least in the dismount/lack of protection:



I like the guy at the far right...

Someone farted in the cab...

The gunner! Standing there, all innocent-like, pretending there's nothing going on.
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2020, 11:55:10 PM »
The M39 looks vaguely Soviet, at least in the dismount/lack of protection:



I like the guy at the far right...

Someone farted in the cab...

Now how the heck did I miss a fart joke there? My first reaction to that photo was “Damn it, big ass SPIDER!” ;D

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2020, 05:13:52 AM »
The M39 looks vaguely Soviet, at least in the dismount/lack of protection:



I like the guy at the far right...

And doing it with bayonets fixed....what could go wrong 😯

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2020, 08:55:31 AM »
Create a fire support vehicle based on the M10 or M18 by mounting the turret from the M4 (105) M10 or M18 hull. 
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2020, 02:09:24 PM »
The M39 looks vaguely Soviet, at least in the dismount/lack of protection:



I like the guy at the far right...

And doing it with bayonets fixed....what could go wrong 😯

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2020, 11:31:03 PM »
Academy had an M36 kit, based on their M18, with resin and PE to make the M36. It’s long OOP. Legend made a resin set as well.

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2020, 10:50:04 PM »
Academy had an M36 kit, based on their M18, with resin and PE to make the M36. It’s long OOP. Legend made a resin set as well.

?  M36 is Sherman based, M18 is Chaffee based?

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2020, 11:42:49 PM »
M39, not M36. The 9 got flipped over when a cat jumped on my desk.

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2020, 03:15:28 AM »
M39, not M36. The 9 got flipped over when a cat jumped on my desk.

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2020, 03:32:26 AM »
M39, not M36. The 9 got flipped over when a cat jumped on my desk.

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2020, 11:12:49 AM »
I can quite understand, a mis-aimed leap had our cat crashing a stereo system, lamp, and other things the other day.  Fortunately I was working from home and easily able to deal with this "domestic crisis".

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2020, 10:40:27 PM »
Create a fire support vehicle based on the M10 or M18 by mounting the turret from the M4 (105) M10 or M18 hull.
There was a fire support version of the M18 with the 76mm replaced with a 105mm howitzer. Can't remember the "T" number, butit was no teh mile of tanks at Aberdeen and is likely at the new location. I have pictures, somewhere, from back in the days you could climb all over them along that mile.

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2020, 03:35:08 AM »
There was a fire support version of the M18 with the 76mm replaced with a 105mm howitzer. Can't remember the "T" number, butit was no teh mile of tanks at Aberdeen and is likely at the new location. I have pictures, somewhere, from back in the days you could climb all over them along that mile.

105 mm Howitzer Motor Carriage T88:





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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2023, 03:54:53 PM »
M18 Hellcat with 60mm HVMS gun

Two different turrets. I am surprised M18 turret is bigger than M24's


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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2023, 04:31:54 PM »
I have to confess that I do not like M18 turret. Then ... different turrets for M18 hull.


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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2023, 11:31:58 PM »
M18 Hellcat converted to CRV (open and closed)


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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #51 on: January 23, 2023, 12:41:17 AM »
@Carlos - The M39 Armored Utility Vehicle (based on the M18) might be an option for your 20mm weapons mount. 
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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2023, 03:54:22 PM »
 :smiley: ;)
I will explore your interesting idea.
 :smiley: ;)

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2023, 04:33:26 AM »
Post war M10/M-36 Royal Artillery.

Standardised engine, suspension, and 20pdr, then 105mm L7 gun.

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2023, 04:23:27 PM »
Exploring this too :smiley: ;) :icon_alabanza:

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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2023, 04:24:28 PM »
Armed with a 30mm gun


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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #56 on: July 15, 2023, 11:23:54 AM »
M18 based artillery tractor


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Re: M10/M18/M36
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2023, 08:39:26 AM »
When your towed artillery is faster than the self-propelled artillery.  :smiley: ;D
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