Author Topic: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration (Read 108189 times)

ChernayaAkula · « **Reply #25 on:** April 14, 2012, 11:43:23 AM »

^ I'm not really sure just what it reminds me of, but it does ring a few (distant) bells.... ALR Prinaha? Convair 200 VTOL design?

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Take a whif... and whif it even further. Cross-whiffing? Whif-bashing? $:-\$

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #26 on:** April 15, 2012, 03:12:50 AM »

I think I prefer your first one - looked more natural.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #27 on:** April 15, 2012, 03:16:45 AM »

Quote from: ChernayaAkula on April 14, 2012, 11:43:23 AM

^ I'm not really sure just what it reminds me of, but it does ring a few (distant) bells.... ALR Prinaha? Convair 200 VTOL design?

Reminds me a bit of the XFV-12:

or obviously, the F-104CCV:

finsrin · « **Reply #28 on:** April 15, 2012, 02:39:56 PM »

F-15 intakes -

Probablly build that with 1/100 F-15 intakes on 1/72 F-104.

elmayerle · « **Reply #29 on:** April 16, 2012, 04:18:14 AM »

Quote from: finsrin on April 15, 2012, 02:39:56 PM

F-15 intakes -
Probablly build that with 1/100 F-15 intakes on 1/72 F-104.

You'd need to do a bit of work, but an exhaust nozzle from that 1/100 F-15 could be used as a starting point to put a PW1120 on that project.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 16, 2012, 05:43:29 AM »

Quote from: elmayerle on April 16, 2012, 04:18:14 AM

Quote from: finsrin on April 15, 2012, 02:39:56 PM
F-15 intakes -
Probablly build that with 1/100 F-15 intakes on 1/72 F-104.
You'd need to do a bit of work, but an exhaust nozzle from that 1/100 F-15 could be used as a starting point to put a PW1120 on that project.

And I've got both just sitting around in a box because all I've used is the flying surfaces off the 1/100 F-15 I've got. The intakes will need some outside faces though.

dy031101 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 08, 2012, 05:58:08 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 19, 2012, 04:09:13 AM

Delta F-104 anyone...

Included here for completeness......

(Because I got around scanning that book page......)

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #32 on:** July 08, 2012, 06:11:23 AM »

Those conceptual designs look great!

ChernayaAkula · « **Reply #33 on:** July 08, 2012, 11:41:57 AM »

^^ Some really nice stuff! :)
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GTX_Admin · « **Reply #34 on:** July 08, 2012, 03:17:31 PM »

dy031101 · « **Reply #35 on:** July 08, 2012, 08:54:07 PM »

This reminds me of a question: does anyone have a rough idea on how big a space for radar a F-104G/S/ASA has compared to...... a Sea Harrier FA.2?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #36 on:** March 09, 2013, 11:20:14 AM »

Some mindless image manipulation:

The new Tu-22U is escorted by a Yak-31 fighter.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #37 on:** March 18, 2013, 05:11:48 PM »

Anyone tried modelling a Lancer?

Daryl J. · « **Reply #38 on:** April 13, 2013, 02:09:25 PM »

Does anyone have a photo of the cathedral made from 1:48 F-104s?

Daryl J. · « **Reply #39 on:** April 22, 2013, 02:45:16 AM »

Given the Monogram 1:48 F-104s have wings and horizontal stabs are markedly larger than the Hasegawa kit's, it's been tempting to add somewhere between 1/4" and 1/2" to each main wing tip of the American kit, rescribe, and display beside the Japanese kit. Munitions to be determined.

Weaver · « **Reply #40 on:** April 22, 2013, 06:46:58 AM »

Beautiful delta-winged V-tailed Belgian Starfighter built by Patrick H:

http://highandlow.org/scale%20models/SF_114.html

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #41 on:** April 22, 2013, 01:37:39 PM »

Wow! Invited?

kengeorge · « **Reply #42 on:** May 07, 2013, 09:31:59 AM »

Here's a question for our technically minded friends, what do you need to make the F-104 carrier friendly?

This is purely an engineering exercise though
First off is to slow the thing down a bit.
According to Wiki, the F-104 has Boundary layer control (BLC) for the trailing edge flaps, which helps a bit. It also mentions the take off & landing speeds (with BLC?) is 219mph (352km/h) & 207mph (333km/h) respectively.
That's damn fast.

So suggestions, larger wing? (21ft 9in /6.36m) increase span to A-4 size (26ft 6in /8.38m) without the need for wing folding?

I look forward to your comments & suggestions

Ken...

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #43 on:** May 07, 2013, 02:53:49 PM »

In a way there was a real world naval, carrier based version of the F-104. This was the CL-1400N ( see pic below). To get from here to the F-104 you need to follow the path below:

The CL-1400N was derived from the CL-1400 concept and had the cockpit moved to the front for better view during landing.

The CL-1400 was itself basically a derivative of the CL-1200 proposal with longer fuselage, more powerful engine and increased range.

The Lockheed CL-1200 Lancer was a company-funded proposal for a derivative of the F-104 Starfighter intended for the export market. The CL-1200 design retained the F-104 fuselage, though with a shoulder-mounted wing of larger area moved further aft and a changed tailsection to a more convential shape. It was proposed in August 1970. This project was not successful since more low cost fighters had been introduced to the market like the Northrop F-5.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #44 on:** May 07, 2013, 05:38:52 PM »

Then of course there is this one...

Click on pic for more...and read carefully

elmayerle · « **Reply #45 on:** May 07, 2013, 11:04:53 PM »

WIthout reading (I'm at work), I have to ask if it's a whif or if it's one of the F-104A's that China Lake flew?

Daryl J. · « **Reply #46 on:** May 08, 2013, 02:29:33 AM »

Have the Seattle area peeps tell the story, specifically Terry if he drops by here.

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #47 on:** May 08, 2013, 03:36:58 AM »

Quote from: Daryl J. on May 08, 2013, 02:29:33 AM

Have the Seattle area peeps tell the story, specifically Terry if he drops by here.

Terry is already a member here at BTS under the member name of Braincells37. I got him signed up at the Seattle IPMS show last year via my cell phone :)

kengeorge · « **Reply #48 on:** May 12, 2013, 09:51:56 AM »

Hi folks,
Quick question for you, what other engine could fit inside an F-104?
I'm thinking along the lines of the Spey to replace the J79.
Any other suggestions?

Ken...

Cliffy B · « **Reply #49 on:** May 12, 2013, 09:53:26 AM »

Prob need to make a bit of room for the Spey. F-4s needed some extra room to swap J79s for Speys and they were already huge

F404 from F/A-18s? Its a bid smaller and lighter but basically the same power, plenty more with an afterburner. Not sure how much gas the 104 carried though.

Could go nuts, bulge the after fuselage heavily, and give it an F110 from the F-14s. If it could get off the ground it'd need plenty of drop tanks and a tanker


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Author Topic: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration (Read 108189 times)