F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration

[dy031101]

Thanks again, guys 

I always preferred the later CL-1600 with different intakes

The impression that I got from Secret Projects post thread and American Secret Projects book is that the box intakes and the two ventral fins seem to be tied to either its X-27 engine trial aircraft identity or some iterations of the design that use the F100 turbofan.  The mock-up in the first two pictures appears to be the very first version of the CL-1200-1.

[GTX_Admin]

Maybe.  I still prefer the look though.

[jcf]

The splitter plate shape is a mistake, they've drawn the weird reflection-shadow (reflec-dow, shad-ection?)
of the intake that appears in various shapes and intensities in some photos of highly polished F-104s.

[dy031101]

I shall do my part adding to the confusion.  From American Secret Projects book.  Granted, even this doesn't look nearly like the line drawing or F-104's reflection-shadow, and worse...... could it simply be some kind of modelling seam on the shock cone?

[jcf]

The F-104 intake half-cone is attached to the fuselage, it does not stand off.
That’s what you’re seeing in the model photo.

[GTX_Admin]

Random idea:  French F-104

[ChernayaAkula]

^Interesting.
Twin DEFAs, fixed IFR probe à la Mirage F.1, Magic, Super 530s (both the old and more modern versions,....

Exocets for maritime strike.
These weird combined rocket pod/drop tanks.

[GTX_Admin]

Indeed.  Matra JL-100s on the wingtips would be cool:



The F-104 did come with a suitably obvious refuelling probe:

[apophenia]

Twin DEFAs, fixed IFR probe à la Mirage F.1, Magic, Super 530s (both the old and more modern versions,...

And maybe locally-assembled with Atar 09Bs?

[dams301]

Random idea:  French F-104

Great idea 
Have to see if I can find a cheap Haseg in 1/48.

If then, I think I will go with those mod':
- JL100
- ATAR 9B/C (B if a F-104C and C if F-104G/J)
- a pair Magic
- Martin Baker Mk-4
- no IFR probe (or I keep the original of the F-104)
- same paint scheme as Mirage IIIC (blue or a brown/sand as worn on Djibouti aircraft)

[elmayerle]

If it's around late enough to carry a pair of Magics, might it also be upgraded to an ATAR 9K?

[dams301]

Thanks for the suggestion 

As exhaust are the same between Atar 9C and 9K (for the visible part), and to mark the difference, maybe I should add 2 scoop in the rear end of the fuselage as those we can see on Mirage F-1/Mirage 50EV with the 9K50


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Venezuelan_Air_Force_Dassault_Mirage_50EV_Schleiffert-1.jpg
http://bdd.deltareflex.com/cns_affiche.php?image=9526

[GTX_Admin]

Why would you want to go from the J79 to the Atar?  That would be a massive backward step.

[elmayerle]

Why would you want to go from the J79 to the Atar?  That would be a massive backward step.

More French content?  Much like a French F-4E derivative with ATAR 9K50s and a version of the twin-DEFA cannon package, trialed by the Israelis, in place of the Gatling

I agree, the ATAR 9K50 is a generation behind the J79 which introduced variable stators in the compressor section to production engines.

[dams301]

Why would you want to go from the J79 to the Atar?  That would be a massive backward step.

As said by Elmayerle, it's to put more french content (the same I did with the M-88 instead of F-404 on my T-50 last year). But I'm not even sure to have a spare ATAR 9C/K exhaust so I might stay with the original J-79.

I found one Hasegawa kit from a friend stash. So as soon as my workshop is installed in my new apartment next month, I will start to work on this project in parallel with a real-word F-104J (Kinetic)

[ChernayaAkula]

<...>
The F-104 did come with a suitably obvious refuelling probe:

Yes, of course, but I think the Mirage F.1-style looks a bit more refined.


French-F-104 by Motschke, on Flickr

[dams301]

French-F-104 by Motschke, on Flickr

 
Did you plan do colour this profile ?

If yes, can I ask you to do one in Mirage IIIC colours' ? The sand/brown scheme of aircraft deployed in Djibouti:

[GTX_Admin]

 

[ChernayaAkula]

Did you plan do colour this profile ?

If yes, can I ask you to do one in Mirage IIIC colours' ? The sand/brown scheme of aircraft deployed in Djibouti:

Thanks!  Alas, I haven't got any plans for colouring the profile. I'm just too slow.  I agree that it would look good in Djibouti colours. Then again, the grey-green wrap-around of the Mirage F.1/2000D or the 2000C air superiority colours would also look great. It's a pity the wheel well doors would get in the way of an "Iraquien" F.1 drop tank on the centreline....

[dams301]

Thanks for you reply. No problem if you don't plan to colour it. At least, you gave me some idea with S530D installed underwing. After some research, I found that AS-30 was tested on german F-104 by the french CEV (centre d'essai en vol - Fly test center) with German:


http://aviateurs.e-monsite.com/pages/1946-et-annees-suivantes/mes-800-heures-sur-f-104-1.html


http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/Pole/2081po.htm

So I thinking to change my backstory from a "Djibouti deployed aircraft" to a "former Djibouti deployed aircraft used by CEV for armement integration test". Of course, I keep the worn Djibouti camo but with fresh paint on insignia and squadron marking and add a freshly new painted black/dark grey CEV logo on the tail fin):

[GTX_Admin]

Look quickly or perhaps squint and you can almost see a French F-104  (or perhaps a German Mirage) in this photo:



Oh, and someone obviously forgot to tell the Brits that the dress for the day was non-camouflaged...

[apophenia]

My takes on the French F-104 ... or SAPAC-LL (Lockheed-Latécoère) L-246F Guerrier Étoilés.

Single-seat - http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg166845#msg166845

Two-seater - http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg166846#msg166846

[GTX_Admin]

What if the Italians (or another user) had done a further upgrade post the F-104S-ASA/M?  Maybe add new engine to replace the J79, maybe even with thrust vectoring?  New radar?  More modern weapons such as MICA, ASRAAM. AMRAAM?  Full glass cockpit?  HMD?

[Kerick]

An F-104 in the markings from the episode of Star Trek where the Enterprise gets intercepted by the 1960s USAF? For the Sci Fi group build of course.

[dams301]

Found this on Facebook:



Other pics here: https://www.facebook.com/andrew.prentis/media_set?set=a.10157000117177157&type=3